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    Having an "open mind" is considered a blessing because we come out of the educational system filled with a vast jungle of different and conflicting theories. They are piled up undigested in all the social science fields and form the backbone of our whole secular world-view.

    Growing into adulthood without resolving all this confusion and hence ending up without a sense of mental clarity is inherently troubling to the human mind. That is why we have had to idealize "having an open mind" to help us adjust to this perpectual state of mental indegestion.

    Is it any wonder that for generations, there has been a river of young people going around the world trying to find a "guru" who could cut through the confusion for them?

    One reason that all the mainstream religions were so successful and spread so well when they were new was that they provided a CLOSED SYSTEM OF THINKING. This means, that the basic story was consistent. The view of our common origin, our goals, the means to achieve them and what stands in our way were all consistent and clearly accepted and understood.

    We have nothing like that now. Even Secular Humanism has drifted into an inconsistant mess. As a result, we have lost friends all over the world. Our idealism has faded and respect for it sunk.

    The main point I want to make is that the world does not need to be seen with such confusion! There is a way out of it!


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    10 friends that do the same thing are more boring then one friend that believes something else.


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    10 friends that do the same thing are more boring then one friend that believes something else.
    the friend might be more interesting, but thats good for people around him. not much good for him. he is still confused, with no particular set of beliefs. without any "higher" value in life, life in a sense becomes meaningless.
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    you got that from that sentance? how do you know that the one friend doesn't have more friends? how do you know that s/he feels confused etc
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    you got that from that sentance? how do you know that the one friend doesn't have more friends? how do you know that s/he feels confused etc
    let me try to use english to get my point clear, it appears that my first attempt at getting my point accross in english was not so successful. In summery, no i did not get all of that from that sentence, rather pointed out that the sentence does not address the issue being raised.

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    the point was that being an interesting person to be around is not in as of itself a benefit to that person, rather the people around him.
    Perhaps being an interesting person would mean you have more interesting friends and therefore gain benefit from that, but that was not the point being raised, particularly because the person he spoke of was not interesting per se, rather merely different in his beliefs. And from my experience, people might enjoy the "different"'s company but they are "friends" with those who are the same. And even this statement, if you contest it, does not matter. Having a lot of friends does not bring fullfillment (unless you beleive having friends is of such a high value - though i like to keep an open mind about that too).

    My point is that, without somesort of sort of belief in something absolute, happiness becomes fleeting.
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    So when our percepting units gets this one chance to become a human on an entire oscillation of the universe, you want us to have a boring time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sohy
    you got that from that sentance? how do you know that the one friend doesn't have more friends? how do you know that s/he feels confused etc
    let me try to use english to get my point clear, it appears that my first attempt at getting my point accross in english was not so successful. In summery, no i did not get all of that from that sentence, rather pointed out that the sentence does not address the issue being raised.

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    the point was that being an interesting person to be around is not in as of itself a benefit to that person, rather the people around him.
    Perhaps being an interesting person would mean you have more interesting friends and therefore gain benefit from that, but that was not the point being raised, particularly because the person he spoke of was not interesting per se, rather merely different in his beliefs. And from my experience, people might enjoy the "different"'s company but they are "friends" with those who are the same. And even this statement, if you contest it, does not matter. Having a lot of friends does not bring fullfillment (unless you beleive having friends is of such a high value - though i like to keep an open mind about that too).

    My point is that, without somesort of sort of belief in something absolute, happiness becomes fleeting.
    still doesn't explain where you got confused from, or "with no particular set of beliefs. without any "higher" value in life, life in a sense becomes meaningless." being interesting means all this?
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    We can't stop the vaporisation process (yet anyway), it is self sustaining, we will loose all matter and all that which we long for to be part of and decay to that which the universe began with.

    Now do you want it fast or slow?
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    “Having an open mind” simply means that you are willing to fairly evaluate new ideas. It doesn’t have anything to do with the results of your evaluation. I’m not being close-minded if I decide that an idea is bullshit, so long as I took the time to actually consider the idea carefully before I decided that.
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    It may be bullshit if we decide to slow down the decay in some way, so that all things are preserved. Exactly how we can slow it down is beyond me, since all things seems to decay quite fast naturally.

    I guess we could forbid artificial dimension decay. But i don't think it would work. by the time the sun is about to expand, the earth will not want to be there.

    I believe it wouldn't be so hard to prove that either way we use it or not, we will decay equally fast. Why either way would be pointless.
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    still doesn't explain where you got confused from, or "with no particular set of beliefs. without any "higher" value in life, life in a sense becomes meaningless." being interesting means all this?
    common man, open your mind and actually read my response. it answers this point exactly.

    being interesting does not equal "with no particular set of beliefs. without any "higher" value in life, life in a sense becomes meaningless."

    the original point started from the "no particular belief, no higher value, a confused mess"; and not "interesting person". It was infact leavingquitely's post which equated the two by his response.

    therefore, i did not actually need to derive the "no particular belief, no higher value, a confused mess" from "interesting person". In fact I do not agree that you need to be "no particular belief, no higher value, a confused mess" to be "interesting person".

    my point was that even if you did, it wouldnt even really be worth it.
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