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    Defcon - The water wars
    (Sounds like a 7th star wars episode)

    We all know about global warming, our oil reserves are shrinking; the 3% of drinkable water is getting less and so on.

    This is very likely to go on till the world comes to a state where chaos will come across earth and wars for water, oil and life friendly territories.
    I want to discuss, if this happens, which lands will fight against whom, who will throw the first atomic bombs, and will the EU split up?
    Let's assume the worst, when will defcon start?


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    ?????

    Example please. You are advocating nuclear war to get a drink of water?

    hint: you won't need a glass of water if an atomic bomb lands on your house.

    Much more economical to spend a couple trillion dollars on water desalination, etc. than to have the infrastructure of your country destroyed.

    Think what Germany could have accomplished in the the 1940's and onward if it had put resources towards positive technologies instead of war and murder? They would have been first on the moon.


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    miomaz, sorry to disappoint you but there will be no wars over water or oil and certainly not a nuclear war, but i do have two question though. 1) Why is this in the philosophy section ? and 2) What harm would there be in the EU splitting up ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by miomaz
    Defcon - The water wars
    (Sounds like a 7th star wars episode)

    We all know about global warming, our oil reserves are shrinking; the 3% of drinkable water is getting less and so on.

    This is very likely to go on till the world comes to a state where chaos will come across earth and wars for water, oil and life friendly territories.
    I want to discuss, if this happens, which lands will fight against whom, who will throw the first atomic bombs, and will the EU split up?
    Let's assume the worst, when will defcon start?
    "When will Defcon start" ? erm...FYI...."Defcon" merely means "Defense Condition" and is America's version of our BIKINI readiness system.
    The hand of time rested on the half-hour mark, and all along that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying. The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across No Man's Land to begin the Battle of the Somme. - Poet John Masefield.

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    The first bomb will probably be detonated by terrorists, who may or may not be assisted by a hostile nation. The USA will very likely be the target of that one, unless China has become more powerful by then.

    I could also see the American government detonating one on its own citizens as a "false flag". Well, not the government exactly, but the people who contract for them during wartime might as well be part of the government itself, for what it really matters.
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    I dearly hope that no wars will be started, but it is very likely that wars will be made because of water. (If Bush can start a war about a man that he does not like, then humanity can start wars about their most needed resouce: water.)
    Water is the most valuble thing a human will need in future, after 2 days without water one will die.

    Some contrys may not see any other kind of way, (the people in the land will be killing eachother because of the last drops of water) but to fight for the next water reservoir (spring, river, water-tank, ect.) to survive.

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    You are advocating nuclear war to get a drink of water?
    after 2 days of not drinking you will be willing to kill someone to get a drink of water, at least the majority of people will.
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    And exactly how does a country destroying your country in a thermonuclear war get you a glass of water?
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    Well, every war is a game of chicken, as far as the nuke goes. Probably a conventional war over water (or probably some other resource, because I don't think water is that scarce) will go a little bit too far, and diplomacy will break down.

    An idiot like Bush would push another nuclear power too far into a corner if he got overly into being "the decider" and forgot he wasn't invincible. Then, he'd keep doggedly pressing until they had little choice but to do something desperate.

    It's foolish to underestimate the ability of desperate people to do stupid or horrific things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax
    Well, every war is a game of chicken, as far as the nuke goes. Probably a conventional war over water (or probably some other resource, because I don't think water is that scarce) will go a little bit too far, and diplomacy will break down.

    An idiot like Bush would push another nuclear power too far into a corner if he got overly into being "the decider" and forgot he wasn't invincible. Then, he'd keep doggedly pressing until they had little choice but to do something desperate.

    It's foolish to underestimate the ability of desperate people to do stupid or horrific things.
    The only country the USA could get water from is Canada. The USA is not going to nuke Canada to get water. If an American needed a glass of water because he was dying of thirst then they would only have to ask and we would rush give it to them... Americans would give Canadians a loaf of bread if we were starving.

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    Why would you think that this is the case?
    Here are the 3 things that can cause such a war

    1. resouces all used up to 10%, panic, water is bought by very rich people and poor people that can't afford water will start robbing or die.

    2. Terrorist groups will form against rich people and people with water, they will want somthing like: "water for all"

    3. The country will destroy itself though its panicing people or, they start a war against someone else.

    This is very likely to happen if resouces actually deplete. If you think otherwise, please share your idea.
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    Or......... they could start distilling salt water..........

    Quote Originally Posted by jellyologist
    The only country the USA could get water from is Canada. The USA is not going to nuke Canada to get water. If an American needed a glass of water because he was dying of thirst then they would only have to ask and we would rush give it to them... Americans would give Canadians a loaf of bread if we were starving.
    The USA would never be the agressor in a water war. It's virtually impossible that we would ever run into a shortage. Another country would have to be the one to start the war.
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    I live in germany but, I have relatives that live in america, my whole mothers side. In the end we are all the same.
    I never said that America would start the war, I sayed that "a country" would start the war.
    The nuclear bombs would be the effect of the next world war.

    In another point I disagree.
    The oil usage of the world is growing, linear, even though we know that our oil resouces are finit. Once, and I tell you that day is in the next 7 years, the oil climax is reached, then all hell will break loose.
    The oil price will shoot up, people will stop using their cars, the oil company will have to fire 90% of their workers (at least allot), the world trade will collapse for a while, panic will be spread among the people and who knows what else.

    You won't have to wait that long for this day to come.

    for the distilling of water, yes that is a possibillety, the only problem that there would be that it would cost [per gallon], almost round 2,5 the times of oil(estimated, it can be alittle less or even more).
    You see that the price of water cannot be reduced to its norm.
    But maybe some guy will invent somthing that can overwhelm this problem....

    Middle eastern countrys:
    Saudi Arabia is already buying water from other countrys because of the lack of water. The middle eastern countrys will mostprobally be the fist doing the wars.

    Its a race against technology and the lifestyle of humanity.
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    no no no no, we are already moving away from oil. It will not be/is not a problem. There are many techniques humans can use to obtain water, from the sea, the air or underground wells. One of the problems at the moment with water supply is that rain falls (in general) come less frequently then they use too but they are also heaver, so instead of a constant supply of water it is currently overflowing the rivers and underground channels. With changers to our water supply infrastructure we will be able to capture the same amount of water as we use too.

    And why is there this constant talk of nuclear war ?????? Germany has no nukes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    no no no no, we are already moving away from oil. It will not be/is not a problem. There are many techniques humans can use to obtain water, from the sea, the air or underground wells. One of the problems at the moment with water supply is that rain falls (in general) come less frequently then they use too but they are also heaver, so instead of a constant supply of water it is currently overflowing the rivers and underground channels. With changers to our water supply infrastructure we will be able to capture the same amount of water as we use too.

    And why is there this constant talk of nuclear war ?????? Germany has no nukes
    I suppose he's a German and sees the world through a different view of what man is capable of. Millions were murdered by the Germans because they were Jews and perhaps he thinks man is capable of killing millions for a glass of water. As a Canadian I have zero fear that the Americans are going to nuke my family for a drink of water....no need as we will gladly give them a glass. I bet a German would give an Austrian a glass of water if they said 'bitte' and even a sandwich if they were hungry. Then again maybe not. Perhaps Austria will develop nukes to attack Germany if they refuse a glass of water...
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    Hitler killed 6 million.
    My great grandfather was killed for protecting them so please shut the - up, you don't have the slightest idea about it.

    Now let us look at this from the scientific view and not the racist one.

    Fact is:

    -Humans need water every day to live,

    -Humans naturally 'want' to survive

    -Humans will kill for survival, anything a small percentage will not but the will die unfortunately.

    The nuclear bomb won’t be thrown because of a glass of water; it is thrown for the survival of the country.
    War is going on in the eastern countries exactly because of Water. I have looked it up.

    It appears to me that I never mentioned a nuclear bomb in my text, just 'war', and yes 'war is actually going on right now, which disproves you for good.

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    What harm can it bring if the European Union splitting up???
    It’s not what the EU will bring up, it is the cause of the EU falling apart.
    There must be a major war that separates the union; there is no other possibility as how I image it.
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    Yeah, yeah, small amount of fresh water...uh...has anyone looked at that big wet thing that surrounds the continents? Last time I checked, you can get drinking water from that with a little effort. Not to mention the fact that fresh water is not a non-renewable resource. As long as we keep tabs on the pollution, and the Earth keeps having weather, we'll keep having fresh water.

    As for oil...ugh, the last thing we need is another spit about the oil problems. Even after the middle east dries up and they find themselves with jack squat, there'll still be oil in the other places of the world (much of which is being ignored, don't you love politics?). Hopefully, by the time the mainstream oil outlets get tight, we'll have had a brain fart and started using alternatives and combinations.
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