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    What is everyone's philosophy on love?


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    There is no true love. There is no such thing as love. It has evolved from the need of a companion for a couple of means. The need to reproduce and the need of a helper. Two can survive better than one, at least in the old times. So, love is need, covered up.


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    even assuming love exists, is there such a thing as a philosophy of love ?
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away." (Philip K. Dick)
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    Not that I can come up with. Maybe someone else has a good philosophy?
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    love is something that has evlved with society. its an idea. an emotion that is described by regular, everyday people as nothing more than an amazing, and possibly devestating, experience.

    i believe love is something we should all embrace logically and responsibly...i dont know any of the science behind emotions or why we feel anything for that matter, but its in our make up. our human consciousness. an emotion that sets us apart from teh rest of teh animal world.

    as humans, we dont base relationships with the sole purpose to reproduce, we search for companionship.

    i could get into more details but im positive that i would just get off topic and discuss my thoughts on how love should be handled...not what it is.
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    i once saw love described as :

    "A working hypothesis is that oxytocin released during mating activates those limbic sites rich in oxytocin receptors to confer some lasting and selective reinforcement value on the mate."
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    So, love is an emotion(or release of chemicals in our mind) which makes us to place a higher value upon specific objects, or entities, so that we will ultimately hold on to the entities for a longer period of time. Brought about, by of course a need for that entity. Yes, one of those needs being companionship. Seeing how we are an highly social species.
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    So, love is an emotion(or release of chemicals in our mind) which makes us to place a higher value upon specific objects, or entities, so that we will ultimately hold on to the entities for a longer period of time. Brought about, by of course a need for that entity. Yes, one of those needs being companionship. Seeing how we are an highly social species.
    well not exactly. i think firstly we shown draw a disctinction between the love felt by men and those felt by women. they arise out of completely different evolutionary causes.

    for women, the love is there as a way of keeping the father of the child there.

    for the man, its a way of keeeping the man there for the protection of the mother an the child.

    have you ever noticed how women fall in and out of love a lot easier than men do, and how woman are always so much more vocal about it. It is cause their love is about getting something from us. Men got not need to vocalise those things.
    For the woman, it doesnt really matter who the man is, as long as the protection (or resources or whatever) is there. For the man though it is different, he needs to be in love with the woman bearing his genes.

    to define it as a mere need for companionship is i think off the mark.
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    However, we could ultimately assume that love is need, but at a higher degree. This, I discussed with my ex-wife. Her saying that I didn't love her. Just needed her. Of course, I disagreed.
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    thats a very intresting idea sohy...

    but i ask another question. love is an emotion. created by chemicals in our brains. but what is attraction? why are we drawn to certain, sometimes very specific, characteristics? is it nothing more than a sub-conscious form of intellegent natural selection? do we pick out specific traits that feed a sub-conscious idea of bettering our off-spring? i doubt it. but its an idea none the less.

    or is it yet another chemical formula run through our brains?
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    "is it nothing more than a sub-conscious form of intellegent natural selection? "

    yes it is. but not in that those traits are necessarily have better survival value but also that they have better reproductive value as well (natural selection).

    that is why there is always a group mentality when it comes to attraction, particularly with women (ie women being attracted to men). I know i am generalising here (but hey thats what statistics do), but i think that explains why women are attracted to men in whome other women are already interested (ofcourse these men are usually more attractive to begin with), but this preselection by other women definately helps. Its the notion of if he is attractive to other women, then my offsprings with him will also attract all these women.
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    hm, i smell what Stephen Jay Gould would have called an "adaptationist agenda"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sohy
    "is it nothing more than a sub-conscious form of intellegent natural selection? "

    yes it is. but not in that those traits are necessarily have better survival value but also that they have better reproductive value as well (natural selection).

    that is why there is always a group mentality when it comes to attraction, particularly with women (ie women being attracted to men). I know i am generalising here (but hey thats what statistics do), but i think that explains why women are attracted to men in whome other women are already interested (ofcourse these men are usually more attractive to begin with), but this preselection by other women definately helps. Its the notion of if he is attractive to other women, then my offsprings with him will also attract all these women.
    ok, hmm..thats an intresting idea...not exactly the example i was thinking of but it fits none the less.
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    what was the example you were thinking of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sohy
    what was the example you were thinking of?
    actually, i honestly didnt have a specific example, more of a generalization....

    but the idea that we search for certain people to bear offspring with, the idea of what we search for. i was looking for an opinion or answer to what attraction is and why we look for specific traits...wether we want to have children or not.

    kinda like when two people fall in love and say they "complete each other"- two halves to the greater circle.

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    people searching for others almost identical to themselves.
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    it is interesting cause people are attracted to both difference and familiarity (there are psychological tests conducted to show both). i believe the interpretation was that it comes from a drive for genetic variation (opposites attract, i believed there was some phermonal studies done in relation to this as well) and familiarity attracts (the saftey provided by the familiar).
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    I think, like some others on this thread, that love has evolved from the simple need to reproduce, making the experience more enjoyable. I myself am slanted towards the scientific view and so I think that love is simply electrical impulses, as mentioned to make the repruduction experience more enjoyable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Einstein
    ...love has evolved from the simple need to reproduce, ...
    i'm afraid you'r mixing up sex and love - the former is for reproduction, the latter to encourage pair-bonding which helps in raising viable offspring
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    ya...my intentions are to figutre out what attaraction is and why its so specifc for every individual....but i dont think ill find the answer im looking for here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Pipin
    ya...my intentions are to figutre out what attaraction is and why its so specifc for every individual....but i dont think ill find the answer im looking for here.
    That's because love (true love) is subjective to the person, not the society. Just as we are all individuals (well, except for certain OS groups) so too is our sense of love.

    And who in here is saying love has something to do with having kids? If love was a species-related organic response developed to ensure the existence and survival of offspring, it pales in comparison to paired relationships amongst other animals!

    Discounting all the relationships of false-love that go in all directions, I doubt you'll find those with true-love are thinking of species survival.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Pipin
    ya...my intentions are to figutre out what attaraction is and why its so specifc for every individual....but i dont think ill find the answer im looking for here.
    beauty and attractiveness is defined by the culture you've grown up in
    see the following statement by a tribesman from Papua New Guinea :

    "The most beautiful women are Foré women. They have gorgeous black skin, thick, dark frizzy hair, full lips, broad noses, small eyes, a nice smell, and perfectly shaped breasts and nipples. Women of other New Guinea tribes are less attractive, and white women are unspeakably hideous. Just compare your white women with our women to see why - white skin like a sick albino's, straight hair like strings, sometimes even hair coloured yellow like dead grass or red like a poisonous snail, thin lips and narrow noses like axe blades, big eyes like a cow's, a repulsive smell when they sweat, and breasts and nipples of the wrong shape. When you get ready to buy a wife, find a Foré if you want someone beautiful."
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Pipin
    ya...my intentions are to figutre out what attaraction is and why its so specifc for every individual....but i dont think ill find the answer im looking for here.
    beauty and attractiveness is defined by the culture you've grown up in
    see the following statement by a tribesman from Papua New Guinea :

    "The most beautiful....someone beautiful."
    What does this have to do with love?

    If love and aesthetics went hand-in-hand, there'd be a few less relationships out there.
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    chances are that you'll fall in love with someone you find attractive
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    chances are that you'll fall in love with someone you find attractive
    I beg to differ.

    I believe attractiveness brings individuals together, probably mostly because of instinctual response (good looking = healthy, good mate potential).

    A relationship must be built for love to exist. Otherwise it's just sex.

    Sure, attractiveness gets people together so they can start that relationship, but it's not love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf
    Sure, attractiveness gets people together so they can start that relationship, but it's not love.
    more often than not you need the first stage of being attracted to someone before love even has a chance of getting a look-in
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    more often than not you need the first stage of being attracted to someone before love even has a chance of getting a look-in
    Sure, but that doesn't make attractiveness love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf
    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    more often than not you need the first stage of being attracted to someone before love even has a chance of getting a look-in
    Sure, but that doesn't make attractiveness love.
    i didn't say that attractiveness = love, more that attractiveness --> love

    if you read my earlier post it says :

    "chances are that you'll fall in love with someone you find attractive"

    if you take it that more often than not step 1 is being attracted to someone, and that only then is there a chance of step 2 (falling in love), this indicates it's more likely that you'll fall in love with someone you initially felt attracted to
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    True, sorry for the confusion.

    I guess I'm just pointing out that while attractiveness is present in a lot of love relationships, there do exist love relationships that don't include aesthetic attractiveness. Therefore aesthetics are not a binding factor of love. No more, really, than restaurants and movie theaters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf
    No more, really, than restaurants and movie theaters.
    i'd better cancel that restaurant i've booked for my wife's birthday then ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR

    i'd better cancel that restaurant i've booked for my wife's birthday then ...
    That's not what I meant...

    Attractiveness is probably the dominant tracer towards a relationship, but I was saying it's in the same group as the romantic settings, chocolate, sex, etc...
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    you do realise i was joking ?

    joking apart, i actually agree with you
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR
    you do realise i was joking ?

    joking apart, i actually agree with you
    It's hard to tell around here when folks are being sarcastic or not. Don't worry, I'm not offended.
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