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  1. #1 Would a God Have Morals? 
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    Assuming one exists but even if you donít believe in one, feel free to chime in. I was going to stick this in religion but canít see either a God or Morals being one. Hereís how some see it......

    https://www.siue.edu/~evailat/et&relig.html

    The following from article told me nothing and it sounded almost contradictory but in a language I think weíre accustomed to when this subject comes up (or anything Biblical).

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    • God approves of right actions because they are right and disapproves of wrong actions because they are wrong (moral theological objectivism, or objectivism). So, morality is independent of Godís will; however, since God is omniscient He knows the moral laws, and because Heís moral, He follows them.


    If Morality is independent of Godís will then the moral laws are not his/her/itís idea. However how these laws came about or materialized God had nothing to do with it. I assume then that if one law says love your neighbour and the other says kill the infidel that God must be of the opinion both are right, but then again God is omniscient, WTF?


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    Yup.
    Either morality is arbitrary (whatever "god" chooses at the time), or "god" is not "god" since he/ she/ it is adhering to a "moral code" that is external to him/ her/ it.


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    Sorry to be pedantic, but which god are we talking about here?
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    It is not possible to make predictions or logical descriptions about the gods I am familiar with as the concept is a flight of fancy in origin. (mind you ,all phenomena might be understood to dissolve in mystery the closer one attempts to understand them ,science perhaps being a path rather than a goal)

    But with this "god" business extraordinary claims require extraordinary (or any) evidence.

    I seem to remember a book I once read (and have forgotten) where the game was an extremely complicated game that seemed to border on philosophical questions.

    The Glass Bead Game by Herman Hesse.


    If we did not have moral decisions to make on our own (and collective) right ,life would have little meaning or purpose

    God is dead.Good fucking riddance but thanks for the entertainment and educational value.

    We now have the pressing task of renewing our residence permit on this planet.Will God's ghost be a help or a hindrance in that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    God is dead.Good fucking riddance but thanks for the entertainment and educational value.
    https://stevenpinker.com/publication...els-our-nature

    We now have the pressing task of renewing our residence permit on this planet.Will God's ghost be a help or a hindrance in that?
    God as the most unpleasant character in all fiction, still likely to be a hindrance as the more religion is attacked the harder belief becomes.

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/God-Most-Un.../dp/1454918322
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Sorry to be pedantic, but which god are we talking about here?
    Good question. Not sure it matters but since there are no proofs of any, it’s tough to answer. How about any god(s), real, fabricated or metaphysical who supposedly says be a good human and don’t do this or that, despite everything that god’s been given credit for. So if a god is recorded as saying don’t pick your nose because it’s immoral yet a religion has written accounts of god doing just that, then should the deity(ies) be held to the same moral standard as their subjects or be completely exempt or bereft?

    That’s why this is in philosophy. Maybe your god has morals, maybe not. From physical objects, sky fairies, consciousnesses, abstract metaphysical entities to perhaps a mathematical equation, whatever, would they really have any morals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Maybe your god has morals, maybe not. From physical objects, sky fairies, consciousnesses, abstract metaphysical entities to perhaps a mathematical equation, whatever, would they really have any morals?
    I can only answer this by saying that I worship the goddess Zorka.
    I need only to make my own judgements as to morality.
    But with her I get a planet to rule over when I'm dead, golf courses and geisha girls.
    Compare this to what you get from the god of Abraham; a cloud and a harp for all eternity for making the 'right choices'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Maybe your god has morals, maybe not. From physical objects, sky fairies, consciousnesses, abstract metaphysical entities to perhaps a mathematical equation, whatever, would they really have any morals?
    I can only answer this by saying that I worship the goddess Zorka.
    I need only to make my own judgements as to morality.
    But with her I get a planet to rule over when I'm dead, golf courses and geisha girls.
    Compare this to what you get from the god of Abraham; a cloud and a harp for all eternity for making the 'right choices'.
    Ill take that as a no. Golfers are notoriously immoral. Can’t imagine one running a planet, especially with other golfers present.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Golfers are notoriously immoral.
    Sauce?

    Can’t imagine one running a planet, especially with other golfers present.
    Only geishas present and they don't play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Golfers are notoriously immoral.
    Sauce?

    Can’t imagine one running a planet, especially with other golfers present.
    Only geishas present and they don't play.
    I don’t drink or own a foot wedge. God wouldn’t have to, he’d shoot 18 every time out I figure. I suppose if we’re god’s creation then he’s also good at making the best imperfection money can buy. Creating immorality .... is that as bad as being immoral?
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    I think it's all down to genetics and neo Darwinism.
    We are animals just like all other animals that regulate their own numbers.
    Only we do it in a greater variety of different ways.
    But not effective enough because of the restraints of law and order, so it should be a lot worse.

    George Price - covariant equation - why we kill each other.
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