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  1. #1 What do you think about democracy? 
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    Does democracy work? If so, why?

    Is it because the majority will always scare the minority into going along with any decision? If this was the case then the majority and minority would come into conflict because of power struggling right? Or does this not happen because the minority can easily switch to the majority and vice versa?

    For democracy to work don’t you have to have similar views on life in the first place? If a group of people did not have similar views on life in the first place then the majority and minority would never switch and there would be constant power struggling and fighting right? Is this the problem that we are facing in Iraq? Our leaders in power want democracy in Iraq, but is that even possible?

    Is democracy a form of survival that evolved because people who wouldn’t compromise would kill themselves off?

    And last question, is democracy good or bad?


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    I think it's a flawed idea. The majority of the population isn't capable of making choices for themselves. Democracy is when those same people make decisions for everyone else when they aren't even competent enough to make their own decisions. For democracy to work I think it would be required to "violate" many of the rights that come with it, such as not allowing everyone to vote because really they shouldn't be.

    Now I'm not too fond of communism (well the ideal is great, but not so much the practice of it), and rather have democracy than it, but democracy is majorly flawed.


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    Democracy? - THink 'Lobby' money speaks, all the masses do is decide which team they think will screw them the less....
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    True, the whole lobbyist policy is the most bullshit thing ever. Bribary isn't okay, but lobbying is. I understand there's a difference, but not that big of one really.
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    I disagree with Kaboom, however some of what he points out is corrected in some systems. Most people are stupid, that is why originally in the US senators were not directly elected. House representatives were, and it is not by coincidence that the house terms are 1/3 the length of senate terms. So democracy is good but certainly some checks are required.

    And also, most things are based on pluralities, not majorities.
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    Democrasy as an idea is brilliant, but as a pratical application it cannot work properly just like any other political types it will colapse in the end. Take modern day life in the UK with the hunting ban, the bill failed the House of Lords and the House of Commons, but Tony Blair forced it through using the Parliment Act, how is this democracy? it's completely the opposite. Political types (democrasy, communism etc.) cannot work completely as they get infected by other ideas and people, they mutate and distort.
    "People shouldn't be afraid of their Govenments. Govenments should be afraid of the people"

    Are we not afraid? afraid that Gordon Brown will a'come'a'knocking on our doors for more money? afraid that Tony Blair will decide to get himself into another war? afraid that Gordon Brown or some other procrastinating rich boy polition that's never worked in the real world will become prime minister?
    Are we doing anything about it? are we going to do anything about? i personally think there will be rioting and rebellion with 10 years if todays politions aren't exceptionally carefull
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    The idea of Democracy is perfect but, I fear it does not exist. Give people "freedom" and they will do as you wish. Just another form of control. Although, without it there would be even more chaos.

    I see three classes:
    1. The week: Those in control.
    2. The ignorant: Those being controlled.
    3. The Free: Those who say no to "freedom".

    No offense meant by this. More like an idea to think about.
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    Democracy is majorly flawed and I think instead of just being altered each time it should be scrapped altogether so we can start over again. Maybe with someting similar to Karl Marx's theories.
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    No system of government no system of the people can ever be fully attained. In fact, no system of 'Any kind' is without flaw. Democracy is not a destination it is a process set in motion. A process that will suffer countless failures due to corruption and irreconcilable differences of the masses. To think otherwise is beside the point.

    What matters is this: Democracy is not something to have - Democracy is something to strive for. Never should it be seen as some dogmatic gospel that has been forever set in stone. Instead, it is an ongoing evolution of human ideals. No foundation or establishment should ever be allowed to continue indelibly without undergoing constant change or at least close scrutiny. The very fact that people today still question and/or challenge the merits of democracy, even here within this forum, is an encouraging thought. It shows that society has not yet been reduced to a sest pool of bovine-minded drones.

    This is not an attempt to promote a revolution or an abandonment of the system. Not at all. However, there are people who will view democracy with the expectation that it should make everyone happy all the time and when this expectation is not met, the result will often lead many towards such anarchic tendencies.

    Democracy works in a sense that we are constantly aware of its limitations and as a result, we are always struggling to compensate or improve where it has failed.

    Democracy does not work perfectly. This is a good thing - It proves that we are still individual human beings.
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    Aristotle describes Democracy in the sense of a system gone wrong: a nation ought not to be ruled by the poor he states. An early falsification of Marx? Not merely, as he offers a critique of the current neo-liberalism as well, western governments ARE oriented with their political face to pleasing the masses.
    Advertisement campaigns - little more than propaganda - is aimed at swaying the masses to vote, not on arguments but on emotional appeal.

    There is, however, a problem with systems of government. Democracy functions not in a vacuum - it is supported by a great many values that have developed in our culture - all from the Greeks - and one can not simply remove certain values from the equation and believe the system will still function.
    Marxism, in effect, attempts this. It tries to create a new system that only utilises certain values, blatantly ignoring that all the values in our society form a part of our society and it is thus irresponsible to believe that they are somehow not required for its maintainability. Irresponsible? Social experiments involve a great deal of people, and the striving for communism has lead to a great deal of human life.

    Does this preach for a stance of conservatism? Not at all, city-states with a maintainable, small electorate/government as was existent with the Greeks is not impossible. One may argue that such things can not be maintained in a milieu of globalism, but I hardly believe this to be the case. Corporations, as long as they are checked by the local population could still form internationally with a commitment to its nations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevyn
    Democrasy as an idea is brilliant, but as a pratical application it cannot work properly just like any other political types it will colapse in the end. Take modern day life in the UK with the hunting ban, the bill failed the House of Lords and the House of Commons, but Tony Blair forced it through using the Parliment Act, how is this democracy? it's completely the opposite. Political types (democrasy, communism etc.) cannot work completely as they get infected by other ideas and people, they mutate and distort.
    "People shouldn't be afraid of their Govenments. Govenments should be afraid of the people"

    Have you tried switching to democra-c-y? I hear it gives much better results and if not, they're certainly more interesting ones


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    This is really scary to hear from people.

    There are two components to successful government: 1) competency 2) intention.

    Democracy guaruntees intention. The masses will never purposefully screw themselves over, but a dictator might. (This happens all the time in the third world. They take all the tax money and run)

    What democracy doesn't guaruntee is competency.

    You've got to ask yourself who you trust more: The sincerely dedicated person who isn't very smart, or the genius who's dillegently trying to stab you in the back?
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