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    What lies beyond reason?
    I fear all logic may end up in something that defies laws of the Universe.
    Is there anything such as logic for groups/nation/organisation.
    More the people you meet more is the confusion.
    Or are we all same from inside.. but pretend to fight for some cause which logic defies
    In the age of reason individual prejudice may defy science and use science and technology to destroy our prejudices.

    Lastly..
    When cometh justice?
    If we destroy the races the Earth will come for us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by parag29 View Post
    What lies beyond reason?
    Madness? And/or art.

    I fear all logic may end up in something that defies laws of the Universe.
    Does that mean you think the laws of the universe are ultimately illogical?

    Is there anything such as logic for groups/nation/organisation.
    Logic is a formal process of reasoning. It can be done by computers. So it can, in principle, be applied to anything.

    However, things like groups of humans are probably too complex to be modelled with any degree of confidence. But people do attempt to reason about the effects of economic decisions, changes of government, etc. They just aren't usually very accurate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by parag29 View Post
    What lies beyond reason?
    What hovers just above credibility?

    I fear all logic may end up in something that defies laws of the Universe.
    Why? On what basis?
    How could it (or anything) "defy the laws of the universe" given that logic (so far as we use the term) is internal to the universe?

    Is there anything such as logic for groups/nation/organisation.
    What?

    More the people you meet more is the confusion.
    Equally: what?

    Or are we all same from inside.. but pretend to fight for some cause which logic defies
    In the age of reason individual prejudice may defy science and use science and technology to destroy our prejudices.

    Lastly..
    When cometh justice?
    If we destroy the races the Earth will come for us.
    You're veering (very slightly but ever so noticeably) away from philosophy1 into incoherence.
    Did you have a particular point?

    1 Which is sadly lacking throughout your post.
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    I fear all logic may end up in something that defies laws of the Universe.
    Well fear no more, that's sci-fi and Hollywood.
    All that belongs to human understanding, in this deep ignorance and obscurity, is to be skeptical, or at least cautious; and not to admit of any hypothesis, whatsoever; much less, of any which is supported by no appearance of probability...Hume
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    Well, one question : If Universe is expanding, what are its boundaries?
    How much can it expand? Am I putting a number to Infinity? Yes, I guess so..
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    Quote Originally Posted by parag29 View Post
    Well, one question : If Universe is expanding, what are its boundaries?
    What does this have to do with the OP?
    (Are you going to explain what you meant by the OP?).

    How much can it expand?
    Why should there be a limit?

    Am I putting a number to Infinity?
    No.
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    Are you going to explain what is meant by OP? I don't see any reference of this thread.

    The whole point of our (their - your - depends who's reading this) having discovered evidence for there being laws by which the universe operates implies a degree of logic in the process which could be seen as chicken and egg, for if as is admitted here we are of the universe and not some kind of superpowered , supercentric intelligence (if you hang around here long enough you'll begin to wonder how many take that option seriously) then what part does intuition play in the process and where does that intuition come from?

    Einstein said play is the highest form of research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantumologist View Post
    Einstein said play is the highest form of research.
    N. V. Scarfe: All play is associated with intense thought activity and rapid intellectual growth. The highest form of research is essentially play (Play is Education, 1962).
    Subsequently and incorrectly attributed to Einstein in several publications.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parag29 View Post
    Well, one question : If Universe is expanding, what are its boundaries?
    It has no boundaries. It is either infinite or finite but unbounded.
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    Einstein was probably attributed with a lot of things he didnn't actually say, or do, but he is cited by a respectable physicist thus: No one could have made Einstein’s proposal before him. Because to propose light was made from massless particles wouldn’t have made any sense.

    From this article: https://profmattstrassler.com/articl...instein-do-it/
    So it came to pass, as it were, that Einstein said this, apparently:
    Albert Einstein quote: Matter is Energy ... Energy is Light ... We are...

    So apparently, we are beings of light, and being powered by photons might be a foundation for that assertion, whether or not he actually made it himself, howsoever that may be there are a lot of people who respect Einstein and the work he gave a lifetime's dedication to, and since he came unstuck at the final hurdles of quantum mechanics, there is room for others to take up the reins who are as intuitive with equations as he was.

    Reasoning is a subjective thing, and being objective about people's reasoning is the prerogative of any intelligent being, whether or not that being is made of light, or indeed is Positivist by nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantumologist View Post
    Reasoning is a subjective thing
    It can be. On the other hand it can be formalised so that it becomes more objective. It can even be automated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quantumologist View Post
    Einstein was probably attributed with a lot of things he didnn't actually say, or do, but he is cited by a respectable physicist thus: No one could have made Einstein’s proposal before him. Because to propose light was made from massless particles wouldn’t have made any sense.

    That doesn't reference, let alone validate, the misattributed quote.
    And it's also rather silly. Einstein ONLY succeeded BECAUSE he made a nonsensical proposal? What would stop any other scientist doing the same?

    So it came to pass, as it were, that Einstein said this, apparently:
    Albert Einstein quote: Matter is Energy ... Energy is Light ... We are...
    Yeah, apparently another fake Einstein quote. Not one instance that I can find on the net gives a provenance.

    So apparently, we are beings of light
    No.

    and being powered by photons
    Nope.

    Reasoning is a subjective thing, and being objective about people's reasoning is the prerogative of any intelligent being, whether or not that being is made of light, or indeed is Positivist by nature.
    Whut?
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    Quote Originally Posted by parag29 View Post
    What lies beyond reason?
    I fear all logic may end up in something that defies laws of the Universe.
    beyond: madness
    laws of the universe is a man made concept
    mathematics is not the language of nature but rather a description of human perception
    Quote Originally Posted by parag29 View Post
    Is there anything such as logic for groups/nation/organisation.
    logic to group:better survival rate than individual survival rate (low mobility rate group)
    logic to ungroup:loss of individual benefit from group expence (high mobility rate individual)
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    Utter rubbish, try again in coherent English...
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