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    I love this online definition of PROBABLE from Miriam Webster dictionary: supported by evidence strong enough to establish presumption but not proof .

    So I ask, do all things probable require evidence? MW is saying proof is not necessarily supported by evidence but presumption is, at least that's how I read their definition. Does a definition such as this provide religion a platform for allowing baseless facts and claims about their beliefs? Are beliefs probabilities?


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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    MW is saying proof is not necessarily supported by evidence but presumption is, at least that's how I read their definition.
    Hmmm... I read it as "probable" being a lower standard than "proof". So a certain level of evidence will allow you to think something was probably true. And for some crimes, this would be enough to convict. However, a higher level of evidence is require for "proof" beyond a reasonable level of doubt (and that is the standard required for more serious crimes such as murder).

    Does a definition such as this provide religion a platform for allowing baseless facts and claims about their beliefs? Are beliefs probabilities?
    I would say not, because faith is not (necessarily) based on any evidence. Beliefs may be based on probabilities but they don't create probabilities.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    MW is saying proof is not necessarily supported by evidence but presumption is, at least that's how I read their definition.
    Hmmm... I read it as "probable" being a lower standard than "proof". So a certain level of evidence will allow you to think something was probably true. And for some crimes, this would be enough to convict. However, a higher level of evidence is require for "proof" beyond a reasonable level of doubt (and that is the standard required for more serious crimes such as murder).

    Does a definition such as this provide religion a platform for allowing baseless facts and claims about their beliefs? Are beliefs probabilities?
    I would say not, because faith is not (necessarily) based on any evidence. Beliefs may be based on probabilities but they don't create probabilities.
    Strength of evidence is the difference between presumption and proof? I see where I may have misinterpreted the definition. Can I presume a proof to be true or false?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    Can I presume a proof to be true or false?
    You could do a PhD in philosophy and spend and entire career on that question...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    Can I presume a proof to be true or false?
    You could do a PhD in philosophy and spend and entire career on that question...
    Some probabilities never seem to materialize, (ie multiple universes, God, realities, ET) yet they are still considered probable. Does the evidence need to be clear in order to presume? Or can we presume just because, as in other universes/ET, there's an inevitability bias attached to some ideas?
    All that belongs to human understanding, in this deep ignorance and obscurity, is to be skeptical, or at least cautious; and not to admit of any hypothesis, whatsoever; much less, of any which is supported by no appearance of probability...Hume
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