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    Is anyone familiar with the topic of "contradiction" within logic.

    Specifically, I am referring to the laws of contradiction (or 'non-contradiction) of which those like Hegel discussed and the end of the "foundationall" approach through those like Bertrand Russel up to Gödel's Incompleteness Theorem discussed?

    I ask this as I am trying to make sense of how and why these areas of discussion within the philosophy of science has seemed to be 'closed' to further discussion. I'm not sure if these discussions have been actually 'closed' or that it has been simply transferred to a more precise area of dialectic that is not so apparent. Any help?


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    What leads you to the conclusion that these areas are closed to further discussion?


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    I don't, John. I just don't know how or where they are. I'm certain that if I thought of them, they certainly MUST be and have been discussed in the past and now elsewhere. I am just likely lost in the way the subject is discussed (if it is) at present and 'where'? I get the impression that at least the subject is closed within the paradigm of the present science if only for practical considerations. I could be wrong. But from what I have learned thus far, it seems that either the subject was abandoned from the 1920s, or so, on to present within scientific dialogue. If the subject has been separated into other more distinct areas I'm not sure of where to go to discuss this.

    To me, the trouble between Quantum Mechanics and Relativity involve a resolution of this to connect them in a sensible way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Mayers View Post
    To me, the trouble between Quantum Mechanics and Relativity involve a resolution of this to connect them in a sensible way.
    I also view the problem that confronts QM and relativity as the same old problem that Zeno and Aristotle argued over, whether the universe is composed of the many (atomism) or is a single thing (a continuum).
    They are two fundamental views of reality and they are not compatible.
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    Thanks Dan, I will check out the source. It scares me that one of the descriptors of your reference are "dialetheism" as I am concerned if he is arguing for something religious. I am certainly not of that camp. But I agree that your points regarding Zeno and Aristotle relate to the argument. I found Calculus fascinating and have learned how things regarding what can appear to be fixed (finite) can be interpreted without limit (infinite) in kind. I believe that there is a 'fixed' truth between the two and that they are just a matter of perception. As such, they can be all about perception. We have evolved intellectually to adapt the 'zero' for which helped us to communicate things in the ways we do today. I think that we need to now attempt to address the nature of contradiction in kind in a non-religious way. I have confidence that this could be done. I could be wrong. But what the hell...I may as well try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan hunter View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Mayers View Post
    To me, the trouble between Quantum Mechanics and Relativity involve a resolution of this to connect them in a sensible way.
    I also view the problem that confronts QM and relativity as the same old problem that Zeno and Aristotle argued over, whether the universe is composed of the many (atomism) or is a single thing (a continuum).
    They are two fundamental views of reality and they are not compatible.
    Err, you are confused, there is no contradiction between special relativity and QM. The two have been unified long ago.
    The incompatibility is between QM and GR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Mayers View Post
    I think that we need to now attempt to address the nature of contradiction in kind in a non-religious way. I have confidence that this could be done. I could be wrong. But what the hell...I may as well try.

    Thanks again,

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    Highly unlikely that the resolution will come from you or from your internet postings. You will need to learn physics and math first.
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