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    What's everyone's philosophy on soulmates? Do they or don't they exist? A certain person or persons in your life, your sine qua non, that is rare and separate from all your other relationships. I've been wondering about this especially after reading a thread on this forum about everything being predestined and the chemical imbalances that occur inside our brain which influences our thoughts, actions and emotions. Any thoughts?


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    no soul mates exist
    We humans are created for polygami, not monogami.
    Therefor logicly no soulmates exist for anyone soulmates are something young people think of cause they cant handle their emotions and think that everlasting love is common wich mostly isnt, some get it but most dont.


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    That was a cheerful post Zelos.

    I don't think there is such a thing as a soul mate in the same way as i don't think there is such a thing as love, it is just about chemicals. But ignoring all that, from a personal and feelings point of view, yes i do. I think a soul mate is someone who you can trust without any doubt, love and care for more than anyone else, your perfect partner.
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    Yes, there are soulmates and I hope to have one someday. Here are two soulmates for you disbelievers.

    http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/0....ap/index.html

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    One can question the exact meaning of "soul mate," but something like it has been my priviledge. When you live thirty seven years with someone you intently love and cherish all that time, then have lost her for two years, you begin to think that the term does have some meaning . . .


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettina
    Yes, there are soulmates and I hope to have one someday. Here are two soulmates for you disbelievers.

    http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/0....ap/index.html

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    The thing is, is that when we meet someone and "fall in love" what is actually happening is that that person is providing us with the necessary stimuli to create the right peptides in our brains which serve our cells and we feel good. That person could overtime change, possibly due to experiences changing their neural networks and then thusly overtime will no longer provide us with the necessary stimuli. sometimes we stay with this person out of familiarity, or "duty". this duty comes from a long term neural network. anyway, needless to say god roles the dice on this one; but then god constantly rolls the dice. Time = Change, and people do and so do emotions.
    The hand of time rested on the half-hour mark, and all along that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying. The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across No Man's Land to begin the Battle of the Somme. - Poet John Masefield.

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    A soul mate is just a title, no? A container in which we put something, like, significance, depth, value, force.

    Now, I have long wanted to experience "love". And there were times when I thought I did. But outside whatever significance I put in those experiences — when I thought "it" was it — I was, during and at the end of those junctures, left unmoved — there seemed to be more posing than anything else: hence the "cool" factor — or the dispassion.

    But I met someone recently. His very presence electrifies the space I'm in whenever I see him approach. It's as if the significance is conjured by something other than my musings... His whole being possesses me. I never experienced this before and I find it very unnerving.
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    I think a soul mate is someone who you can trust without any doubt, love and care for more than anyone else, your perfect partner.
    there is no such thing as perfect partner, so no soulmates exist

    Yes, there are soulmates and I hope to have one someday. Here are two soulmates for you disbelievers.
    not really,some are bound to be toghater a long time just to confirm the rule that it doesnt get so

    and for love its nothing more than a program that is initiated by your brain to drive itself to complete reproductive actions. the program dont get to go that far all the time thou and stops along the way
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    and for love its nothing more than a program that is initiated by your brain to drive itself to complete reproductive actions. the program dont get to go that far all the time thou and stops along the way
    meer sexual attraction can do the same job, and indeed it did long before society even knew the word love.

    but of more importance is the question of what purpose does labeling that feeling that two people can posses and keep for years a biological proccess?
    whether it is or not aside...what difference does it make.
    theres still no way of predicting which two people will undergo that proccess in the brain or why its those two specific people who will interact in such a way that will keep them together for 20, 30 , 40+ years.
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    Oh come on Zelos, there must be something human under all those borg implants. :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    I think a soul mate is someone who you can trust without any doubt, love and care for more than anyone else, your perfect partner.
    there is no such thing as perfect partner, so no soulmates exist
    But there is such a thing as a perfect fit: a wizardly dressmaker, a brilliant designer, select fabrics and colors, and a look to kill.

    Prêt-à-porter and one-size-fits-all has nothing to do with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by leohopkins
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    Yes, there are soulmates and I hope to have one someday. Here are two soulmates for you disbelievers.

    http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/TV/0....ap/index.html

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    The thing is, is that when we meet someone and "fall in love" what is actually happening is that that person is providing us with the necessary stimuli to create the right peptides in our brains which serve our cells and we feel good. That person could overtime change, possibly due to experiences changing their neural networks and then thusly overtime will no longer provide us with the necessary stimuli. sometimes we stay with this person out of familiarity, or "duty". this duty comes from a long term neural network. anyway, needless to say god roles the dice on this one; but then god constantly rolls the dice. Time = Change, and people do and so do emotions.
    But if you were truly meant for each other, hence "soulmates", than wouldn't the other half of the pair change as well to fit the change that occurred for their partner? What you have described seems to be a romantic relationship rather than a true connection, a bond if you will, that being soulmates goes far beyond. You don't have to be lovers to be soulmates. I believe it's very plausible to have a soulmate or soulmates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    and for love its nothing more than a program that is initiated by your brain to drive itself to complete reproductive actions. the program dont get to go that far all the time thou and stops along the way
    Reproductive actions don't necessarily connote just biology — there are avenues of being that are accessible only by a correct combination of character, spirit, and emotive and rational capacities. Such a determinate combination might require a certain disposition initiated by... another's intimate vicinity. But not just anyone, right?

    Also, what if someone is gay, without the absurd need to reproduce?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BloodyValentine
    You don't have to be lovers to be soulmates. I believe it's very plausible to have a soulmate or soulmates.
    You think so? I think the sexual attraction is the initial calling, the more primitive, instinctive, and ancient form of direct communication — and communion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BloodyValentine
    You don't have to be lovers to be soulmates.
    Good point, some twins (as well as others) could be used as examples of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    That was a cheerful post Zelos.

    I don't think there is such a thing as a soul mate in the same way as i don't think there is such a thing as love, it is just about chemicals. But ignoring all that, from a personal and feelings point of view, yes i do. I think a soul mate is someone who you can trust without any doubt, love and care for more than anyone else, your perfect partner.
    I don't think you understand love. Then again I don't either. My point is that you are confusing love with emotion. In the emotional sense of the word I don't love anyone... but, in the real sense, I love everyone. That probably doesn't make sense.

    As for soulmates I am unsure. It's hard to say it is not possible when you observe it in others...
    This is all I can come up with: "Ignorance is bliss". Referring to emotions.
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    No i'm sorry you are obviously confusing me with someone who has a brain, that went right over my head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
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    You don't have to be lovers to be soulmates.
    Good point, some twins (as well as others) could be used as examples of this.
    Oh come on -- now you're extending the concept of a soul mate beyond it's borders. Should we include look-alikes too?
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    Do soulmate's exist ? No. Do you have a soul ? No. Is there such a thing as love ? No.

    They are all words that we use to describe feelings that we have, feeling that have been created by chemicals in our body's. We have evolved to to have feelings because they are beneficial to our species. So what feelings does the word soulmate refer to ? The answer to this will obviously change from person to person, so i can only give you my own opinion, which is.... A soulmate to me is someone that i care about, love, have shared experiences with, long to be around, have a long history with and someone that would break my heart if they ever left me. I also have to admit that this person (in my eyes) would be a woman, and i would want to spend the rest of my life with as a lover and partner. But i also believe that SOME twins and PERHAPS brothers and sisters can also be soulmates without a sexual relationship. And most importantly you and your soulmate HAVE TO be look-a-likes, very important.

    Dabob, Would you mind explaining what it is your trying to tell me. Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    Oh come on Zelos, there must be something human under all those borg implants. :wink:
    i wish not :'( but its true

    Also, what if someone is gay, without the absurd need to reproduce?
    thats a exemple when nature do wrong and creates "freaks"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelos
    Also, what if someone is gay, without the absurd need to reproduce?
    thats a exemple when nature do wrong and creates "freaks"
    So Nature is imperfect, huh? Who's perfect? You? Next time She might consult with you, right? Sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    Do soulmate's exist ? No. Do you have a soul ? No. Is there such a thing as love ? No.

    They are all words that we use to describe feelings that we have, feeling that have been created by chemicals in our body's. We have evolved to to have feelings because they are beneficial to our species. So what feelings does the word soulmate refer to ? The answer to this will obviously change from person to person,
    Precisely — you put meaning into the container, the concept, the abstraction. What you put in there is your business. Some will put in trinkets, others coins, a few will put in gold.
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    Yes it is my business what i put i my container, hence...
    The answer to this will obviously change from person to person
    But then what is this all about ?
    Oh come on -- now you're extending the concept of a soul mate beyond it's borders. Should we include look-alikes too?
    Tell me why SOME twins can't be soul mates ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    Tell me why SOME twins can't be soul mates ?
    Okay, in light of your apparently innocent self-perplexity, I *thought* this thread was about sex. HOT sex.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ad . hoc
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    Also, what if someone is gay, without the absurd need to reproduce?
    thats a exemple when nature do wrong and creates "freaks"
    So Nature is imperfect, huh? Who's perfect? You? Next time She might consult with you, right? Sure.
    im not perfect :'( sadly
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    The point is that the bio-clock and an almost unconscious urge to reproduce are obviously not so, uh, complementary in homosexuals, hence the mating ritual that heteros experience might also negate the sometimes mindless biological instinct to "find a mate": conclusion: if homosexuals are apt to find mates irrespective of a biological function, then it's not quite biology that explains the idea of a soul mate — it must be something else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    Do soulmate's exist ? No. Do you have a soul ? No. Is there such a thing as love ? No.

    They are all words that we use to describe feelings that we have, feeling that have been created by chemicals in our body's. We have evolved to to have feelings because they are beneficial to our species. So what feelings does the word soulmate refer to ? The answer to this will obviously change from person to person, so i can only give you my own opinion, which is.... A soulmate to me is someone that i care about, love, have shared experiences with, long to be around, have a long history with and someone that would break my heart if they ever left me. I also have to admit that this person (in my eyes) would be a woman, and i would want to spend the rest of my life with as a lover and partner. But i also believe that SOME twins and PERHAPS brothers and sisters can also be soulmates without a sexual relationship. And most importantly you and your soulmate HAVE TO be look-a-likes, very important.

    Dabob, Would you mind explaining what it is your trying to tell me. Thank you.
    Alright, I'll do my best. Yes emotion can create certain feelings but, it does not mean that the feelings are not real. The fact that they are being created and that we feel them is proof that they are real. What keeps a electron from flying away from the proton? Why do water molecules bind to eachother? What holds the elements that form each hormone together? What causes the body to have emotions of atraction to others? There is force in the universe that brings things together. Love is not merely an emotion but a powerful expression of this attraction.

    You say there is no soul. Tell me, where are your thoughts occuring? In what space does a concept lie? Why can this powerful attractive force last forever with some and only seconds with others.
    I believe that the concept of soulmates can be observed but I have no explanation for it.

    Like you say twins or siblings can be soulmates I would take that even further. Do you ever notice that you see a particular person throughout certain periods of you life or maybe even your whole life? You don't even have to have met them but somehow you connect with them eachtime you see them. I believe that is a soulmate.

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    Thanks for the reply.
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    Hi People,

    Even if Soulmates do exist, and I don't know that they do because I've never met one, you shouldn't allow yourself to believe that they do.

    Being a single guy myself I'm forever meeting women who are looking for their soulmates. People who believe in soulmates have ridiculously high expectations and as soon as you make one mistake you're history. The notion of Soulmates interferes with you finding a suitable partner.

    The basic truth is that no human couple are 100% compatible. There's always going to be moments when you look at them and think what a pain in the ass he/she is at the moment. If you stay together its because the good times far out number the bad times.

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    Greetings,

    Why does it seem everyone here is still living in some deterministic materialism world where the only thing that exists are chemical reactions?

    I believe that a soul mate is someone who you want to be with forever. Not that two people are destined that way, and there are probably many different pairings of people that can accomplish these ends.

    Remember, not only are there the chemical reactions that cause the good feelings of love, but there are also those reactions that cause it to have meaning. :wink:

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    Greetings,

    Why does it seem everyone here is still living in some deterministic materialism world where the only thing that exists are chemical reactions?

    I believe that a soul mate is someone who you want to be with forever. Not that two people are destined that way, and there are probably many different pairings of people that can accomplish these ends.

    Remember, not only are there the chemical reactions that cause the good feelings of love, but there are also those reactions that cause it to have meaning. :wink:

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    And most importantly you and your soulmate HAVE TO be look-a-likes, very important.
    Huh?

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    I hate it when I hear people excuse infidelity by saying they found their "soul mate."
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    I don't exactly know how the term soul-mates was coined. Also, I am unaware of the context. I mean, your soul-mate isn't the only one who has a soul.
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