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    Is karma scientific and is it a natural law that governs our universe? Is it real?


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    Quote Originally Posted by persona View Post
    Is karma scientific...
    No.

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    ... and is it a natural law that governs our universe?
    Leaning towards a hard No to highly unlikely.

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    Is it real?
    No compelling evidence suggests that it is, therefore it receives a provisional status of Not Real.


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    If karma means what goes round comes round then by the laws of probability, sooner or later it will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    If karma means what goes round comes round then by the laws of probability, sooner or later it will.
    One of its core components and at the same time its weakness is that in most interpretations of a karmic system - it keeps score across lifetimes and there's no telling when the system balances out if at all. Suppose in a hypothetical scenario that a newly born infant is delivered and immediately "snuffed", is it accumulating points for the next life or just paying back points from a previous life? There's simply no way to balance that equation without taking on a whole lot of other assumptions within the basic premise that goes beyond accepting that this system exists. There are just too many plugins values that rests on little to absolutely no foundations whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    If karma means what goes round comes round then by the laws of probability, sooner or later it will.
    Karma is a reward/punishment system, the universe being an unintelligent uncaring entity, this is patently misguided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    If karma means what goes round comes round then by the laws of probability, sooner or later it will.
    But, most likely, not within the lifetime of any particular human.
    Sorta makes the concept useless, neh?
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    "We are what we think. All that we are, arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world."

    Siddhartha Guatama (aka "The Buddha")
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    If karma means what goes round comes round then by the laws of probability, sooner or later it will.
    But, most likely, not within the lifetime of any particular human.
    Sorta makes the concept useless, neh?
    Not necessarily. There is no evidence for rebirth but there might be parallel worlds/universes where a copies of you exist. If true then in whichever world you take you are the set of copies which increases the probability of certain actions taking place, QM being based on probability.
    But I agree, most of what is talked about karma is nonsense. Scunthorpe United FC - bad karma or lack of investment? I'll go for the second option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    but there might be parallel worlds/universes where a copies of you exist.
    Which STILL makes it useless.
    Even IF there are "other mes" that exist we're entirely unaware of each other, which means that any return on one of them is effectively independent of what I do (i.e. I do something bad and the "payback" happens to "him": what skin off my nose is that?)

    Scunthorpe United FC - bad karma or lack of investment? I'll go for the second option.
    If you can form an opinion (regardless of the accuracy of that opinion) then you know far more about them than I do.
    The only time the existence of SUFC has any impact on me is when the police effectively "shut down" the town centre for some large match when trouble is expected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bat-man View Post
    Are YOU real?
    Learn from your mistakes. By now you should be much wiser than you seem to me, for you have made plenty of mistakes.
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    Duck: I wasn't implying that you are not independent of any copy of you, rather you are a set of copies each of which has an independent existence but the probability wave of the set will increase the chances of certain events happening. That does not prove that bad or good karma is the result of past actions, but it increases the chances of it being interpreted as such.
    I don't believe in karma myself, but if the universe plays out all possible events then sooner or later you may well think that good and bad deeds are karmic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bat-man View Post
    Are YOU real?
    I am that I am. MAYFLOW is part of me.

    Do you understand the theory of non-self being everything?
    Thich Nhat Hahn I think coined it as "interbeingness"

    It is spoken of in the Heart Sutra and in the Diamond that cuts through all illusions Sutra.
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