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    Just give me the answer in simple terms or something I can understand good.

    Can we be in a matrix to where there is a superior intelligence controlling the matrix?

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    Aliens, or those who disguise themselves as gods. Or maybe just humans with superior intelligence.

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    Maybe? How could we tell, and how would it change anything?


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    Well we could create our own sub matrix and if anything went wrong we could point the finger at our own controllers and avoid the blame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thepersianpuzzle View Post
    Just give me the answer in simple terms or something I can understand good.

    Can we be in a matrix to where there is a superior intelligence controlling the matrix?

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    Aliens, or those who disguise themselves as gods. Or maybe just humans with superior intelligence.

    Thanks.

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    Aliens, or those who disguise themselves as dogs.
    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
    Philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy
    Prof Richard Feynman (1979) .....

    Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!"
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    Can we be in a matrix to where there is a superior intelligence controlling the matrix?
    Why do you believe that somebody need to have superior intelligence to control a Matrix?
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    If we ever create actual real artificial intelligence, then more than likely, yes, we are in a matrix/simulation.

    I believe the idea works like this...

    If we create artificial intelligence then we will run simulations with it (with the A.I. not knowing that's what we're doing) to see how they react/respond/develop/evolve.
    chances are they will evolve to the point where they themselves create artificial intelligence and then they will run simulations with the A.I. they've created (with the new A.I. not knowing what the A.I. we've created is doing) to see how they react/respond/develop/evolve.


    This little A.I. program situation will continue to be run as each individual A.I. continues to develop it's own A.I. We're talking possibly trillions of programs within programs.

    So here comes the rub...

    What are the odds that we started the whole thing versus the odds that we're one of the simulations?? The stats aren't on our side that we started it all.
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    If your idea was right then wouldn't one of the submatrices figure it it was a submatrix and make "contact " with the matrix 2 or more stories up and take out (or manipulate) the matrix directly controlling it ?

    In your favour ,having one matrix might well imply a Russian doll series of them .

    Of course the extent of their development (s) might be limited by the lifespan of the universe or the top level of the founding matrix (if this is destroyed do all the other levels vanish in a puff of software?).
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    If we’re living in a simulation, then it could do with a balance overhaul for fair play (life should be fair!), improved AI, and better looking graphics for my avatar! Also, some bots like Justin Bieber seem overpowered and should be taken out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapples View Post
    If we’re living in a simulation, then it could do with a balance overhaul for fair play (life should be fair!), improved AI, and better looking graphics for my avatar! Also, some bots like Justin Bieber seem overpowered and should be taken out.
    Your pineapple does seem to have a submatrix.
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    So, if our universe is to be chronologically, let’s say - “Submatrix No. 1114”, and “Submatrix No. 1115” designed our submatrix, then where is our own “Submatrix No. 1113” that we designed?

    If there are billions of Russian doll submatrixes, then we must be the smallest Russian doll yet to create a smaller doll.

    Similar thing to turtles all the way down?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapples View Post
    So, if our universe is to be chronologically, let’s say - “Submatrix No. 1114”, and “Submatrix No. 1115” designed our submatrix, then where is our own “Submatrix No. 1113” that we designed?
    I have the patent for that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    If your idea was right then wouldn't one of the submatrices figure it it was a submatrix and make "contact " with the matrix 2 or more stories up and take out (or manipulate) the matrix directly controlling it ?
    How do you go about doing that, seeing as you have no idea how the matrix you are in is constructed? Aside from that, how do you make contact when the matrix above you doesn't have to respond?
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    Of course the extent of their development (s) might be limited by the lifespan of the universe or the top level of the founding matrix (if this is destroyed do all the other levels vanish in a puff of software?).

    I would think yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapples View Post
    If we’re living in a simulation, then it could do with a balance overhaul for fair play (life should be fair!), improved AI, and better looking graphics for my avatar! Also, some bots like Justin Bieber seem overpowered and should be taken out.
    LOL

    Perhaps our simulation is created by the sum of all of our actions and interactions with each other. free will, if you like. What good would the simulation be if they were manipulating it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapples View Post
    So, if our universe is to be chronologically, let’s say - “Submatrix No. 1114”, and “Submatrix No. 1115” designed our submatrix, then where is our own “Submatrix No. 1113” that we designed?

    If there are billions of Russian doll submatrixes, then we must be the smallest Russian doll yet to create a smaller doll.
    yes, and once we create one then eventually that one will create one and so on and so forth. so right now we're the bottom, until we create one... unless we never create A.I. and then we're probably real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pineapples View Post
    If we’re living in a simulation, then it could do with a balance overhaul for fair play (life should be fair!), improved AI, and better looking graphics for my avatar! Also, some bots like Justin Bieber seem overpowered and should be taken out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by grmpysmrf View Post
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    If your idea was right then wouldn't one of the submatrices figure it it was a submatrix and make "contact " with the matrix 2 or more stories up and take out (or manipulate) the matrix directly controlling it ?
    How do you go about doing that, seeing as you have no idea how the matrix you are in is constructed? Aside from that, how do you make contact when the matrix above you doesn't have to respond?

    You could perform rituals and beg for intercession from the higher order. Hopefully this higher order is still keeping tabs on the situation.Maybe human sacrifice could do the trick if performed when the celestial bodies are aligned.

    There might be coded messages in our DNA which would allow us to send messages up a level or two -it could be that they have "sleepers" who would be reactivated if we could crack this code.

    You say we have no idea how the matrix we are in is constructed but if we can successfully construct our own matrix it is likely that our own matrix follows a similar design.

    Por que no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pineapples View Post
    If we’re living in a simulation, then it could do with a balance overhaul for fair play (life should be fair!), improved AI, and better looking graphics for my avatar! Also, some bots like Justin Bieber seem overpowered and should be taken out.
    I’ve never looked so dazzling, thanks!

    So you must be the architect.
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    It is weird to imagine so, but I personally think not. I think such a thing would be unnecessary for such intelligentsia whom are supposedly controlling us anyway. Such notions are made up by our imaginative brain, the same way religion was formed - partly for that reason as well as the lust for power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EvolvedAtheist View Post
    It is weird to imagine so, but I personally think not. I think such a thing would be unnecessary for such intelligentsia whom are supposedly controlling us anyway. Such notions are made up by our imaginative brain, the same way religion was formed - partly for that reason as well as the lust for power.
    I don't think we have to suppose that this intelligentsia is actually controlling us.They only need to have created us and like God on the seventh day they could have taken a kip and then lost all interest in their little Tamagochi toy.

    Do you have a theory as to how religion could have been formed in the past? Do you know of any other competing theories?
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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
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    If your idea was right then wouldn't one of the submatrices figure it it was a submatrix and make "contact " with the matrix 2 or more stories up and take out (or manipulate) the matrix directly controlling it ?
    How do you go about doing that, seeing as you have no idea how the matrix you are in is constructed? Aside from that, how do you make contact when the matrix above you doesn't have to respond?

    You could perform rituals and beg for intercession from the higher order. ...Maybe human sacrifice could do the trick if performed when the celestial bodies are aligned.
    Kinda sounds like religion ad praying doesn't it?


    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    You say we have no idea how the matrix we are in is constructed but if we can successfully construct our own matrix it is likely that our own matrix follows a similar design.

    Por que no?
    Kinda like how a wooden top and the Xbox 1 follow the similar design?
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    Quote Originally Posted by grmpysmrf View Post
    Kinda sounds like religion ad praying doesn't it?

    Yes it does and I wonder if we could shamelessly exploit the connection and perhaps find a screenwriter to incorporate the idea into a new SciFi franchise.

    There could be a Doctor No character who has delusions of power fueled by the idea of forming an alliance with these dark forces (he does kinky sex and performs weird rituals to summon these genies and of course he is a quisling character in effect bringing down potentially cataclysmic punishments on the peoples of the earth or other planets)

    You can set the action at any time in earth's history ( the past may work better than the future as it seems more "real").

    Another way we could exploit the apparent link to religious practices might be to set up our own Church along the lines of Scientology if only to get a tax free status .
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    If we live in simulation then what I would be curious to know is what the physical laws of a real world are. Are they the same as in simulation or different?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stanley514 View Post
    If we live in simulation then what I would be curious to know is what the physical laws of a real world are. Are they the same as in simulation or different?
    Probably since it's a simulation. why simulate something different?
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    Well I will answer that they could be different but necessarily within the confines of the imagination of the designer-and obviously they need to be self consistent.

    It reminds me of my dreams - they always make sense at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    Well I will answer that they could be different but necessarily within the confines of the imagination of the designer-and obviously they need to be self consistent.

    It reminds me of my dreams - they always make sense at the time.
    Can't argue with that.
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