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    what would humanity be like if we never had knowledge of right and wrong,?
    what do you concider would be the mental level of man, without the above.?


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    if we had no knowlage of right and wrong, we would have destroyed ourselves a long time ago


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevyn
    if we had no knowlage of right and wrong, we would have destroyed ourselves a long time ago
    how, explain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevyn
    if we had no knowlage of right and wrong, we would have destroyed ourselves a long time ago
    nope, animals have no sense of right/wrong and they do it quite well
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    how do you know animals hve no sense of right and wrong? if they don't then my cats are super intelligent.

    With no idea of right and wrong there would be murder, rape and anarchy. Jealosy and selfishness would have destroyed us. If you have a naighbour that has something you like, you don't take it because it's wrong to steal. But with no idea on right and wrong you might decide to take, then your neighbour would get angry and would probably attack you
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    Jealosy and selfishness would have destroyed us
    we are all selfish all the time no matter what

    If you have a naighbour that has something you like, you don't take it because it's wrong to steal
    nope, i dont take it cause id be punished for it

    But with no idea on right and wrong you might decide to take, then your neighbour would get angry and would probably attack you
    exacly
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    If you have a naighbour that has something you like, you don't take it because it's wrong to steal
    nope, i dont take it cause id be punished for it
    yes because it is wrong to steal, but that was a hypothetical into the world where there is no knowlage of right and wrong. we are punished if we steal something because we know the difference between right and wrong, but in a world where that knowlage isn't there...
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    no we are punished cause no one wants his stuff taken. and it hurts
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevyn
    With no idea of right and wrong there would be murder, rape and anarchy. Jealosy and selfishness would have destroyed us.
    why, how so explain. enlighten me as to how you come to your conclusions.
    you really need to look deeply and try to understand exactly what it would be like without good or bad
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    ok, prime examle, young children who havent developed the sense of right and wrong yet often take things from shops without realizing it's wrong, now scale that up to an adult mind
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    this thread reminds me of A Clockwork Orange. You should read the book, or watch the movie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevyn
    ok, prime examle, young children who havent developed the sense of right and wrong yet often take things from shops without realizing it's wrong, now scale that up to an adult mind
    but how will the mind become adult, it will remain in the child like state.
    I did say think about it deeply, if what you believe is right then all downs syndrome people would be killers, would'nt they.
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    Adults arn't innocent like children, Adults know of war, rape, murder, pillaging and 'collataral damage' If you know of these things but did not know they were wrong... oh look the civilian number outways the terrorist nuber in that area by 10:1, bomb it anyway.

    People with Downs syndrome wouldn't be killers because there minds can still develope a certain capacity of right and wrong even in the most severe cases.

    Serial killers however, show know or little remours, because they are unable to do so? because they have no idea of right and wrong?

    People with violent tendancies go on to comit terrible crimes because they don't kow what's wrong with it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevyn
    Adults arn't innocent like children, Adults know of war, rape, murder, pillaging and 'collataral damage' If you know of these things but did not know they were wrong... oh look the civilian number outways the terrorist nuber in that area by 10:1, bomb it anyway.

    People with Downs syndrome wouldn't be killers because there minds can still develope a certain capacity of right and wrong even in the most severe cases.

    Serial killers however, show know or little remours, because they are unable to do so? because they have no idea of right and wrong?

    People with violent tendancies go on to comit terrible crimes because they don't kow what's wrong with it
    your still not getting it how can adults know of war, without having knowledge of good and evil.
    without the knowledge of good and evil you could not make decisions, you could not choose, think about it deeply, please!.
    Ill ask the question again
    "what would humanity be like if we never had knowledge of right and wrong,?
    what do you concider would be the mental level of man, without the above.?"
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    hmmmm, thinking deeply, that may be a tough one,

    I believe it was Zelos that said that animals have no sense of right and wrong. In the jungle there is a species of primates which go around in groups, if they find another group of their species they will attack and try to destroy it, they then canabalize the other groups young
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevyn
    hmmmm, thinking deeply, that may be a tough one,

    I believe it was Zelos that said that animals have no sense of right and wrong. In the jungle there is a species of primates which go around in groups, if they find another group of their species they will attack and try to destroy it, they then canabalize the other groups young
    have you ever watched a group of wolves there is an alpha male and alpha female, the others all learn the place from puppyhood, they are literally taught right and wrong, if the dont obey they get ostracized.
    what I've been trying to discuss is, take any knowledge of right or wrong away and what is left, would there ever have been an alpha male or female without it, I dont think so.
    they just would'nt have that spark needed to be the best they can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geezer
    have you ever watched a group of wolves there is an alpha male and alpha female, the others all learn the place from puppyhood, they are literally taught right and wrong, if the dont obey they get ostracized.
    what I've been trying to discuss is, take any knowledge of right or wrong away and what is left, would there ever have been an alpha male or female without it, I dont think so.
    they just would'nt have that spark needed to be the best they can be.
    so your saying that life is completely flavourless without right and wrong.
    if you are i would agree, i can't however comprehend what my mental level would be or how society would react without that duality between right and wrong, how things should taste and how they shouldn't, how things should look and how they shouldn't, the right way to live verses the wrong way.

    life's pretty straight without twisties.
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