Thread: Death Syndrome

All people will have it, but can you survive it? If you survive it, how could you, you were dead weren't you? Were you alive to begin with, after all how could you? To not not be is to be right? That's being born to you. Are you really dead when you are dead? Perhaps it's a syndrome. It needs to be cured. All things must be cured from death. It's the right of all life, it must be like torture to be dead, compareably.

The answer to this question lies in the question of "what is life". I would suggest that if a single molecule alone ina flask is dead (or not alive) than so are we. Our bodies are made up of the molecules floating around and interacting in a flask called cells which are in a flask called our body etc. What makes alive is something more. I would argue that we don't die. Our body is just set to be finished at a certain time. Our life continues on. Death cannot be cured!! Nothing is like torture. Not even torture; that is, if you are truly free of judgement.

Then we are synced, or whatever they call it. Now, all that remains is to sync with all the others and make they understand that we can't have the good stuff without the bad stuff, that is to say, we must "not want" else we will perish but we hate to, so we ain't gonna get some, cause whatever we love we hate its oposite. Love is death syndrome.

I think there is a significant difference between "love" and "want". For one, love is not judgmental, it just is. Maybe it is "wanting" that is this death syndrom.

I can say honestly that if you belive death is nothing but a syndrome then you need doctors since youre mad.

When youre truly dead the biological functions have ceased and cant be continued. Your existens end there. Its the end of the road. The End.
Once there there is no return after a few hours

Originally Posted by DaBOB

I think there is a significant difference between "love" and "want". For one, love is not judgmental, it just is. Maybe it is "wanting" that is this death syndrom.

Yes, wanting is the death syndrome.

For instance, Zelos wants unlimited happiness, unlimited capacity and eternal life.
That is why he got neither. (in his own mind, that is)

I dont want happiness. I want eternal life and eternal knowledge.
With eternal life i can get eternal knowledge and if i am lucky i just might get it
the wanting has nothing to do with the fact if you get it or not

i wanted a wii, and guess what, i got it

Originally Posted by Zelos

I dont want happiness. I want eternal life and eternal knowledge.
With eternal life i can get eternal knowledge and if i am lucky i just might get it
the wanting has nothing to do with the fact if you get it or not

i wanted a wii, and guess what, i got it

What's the point of using something that could become someone in such a pointless way?

What a morbid bunch, why spend so much time talking about death? - there'll be plenty of time for that later....

But it is true isn't it? The computer would be alive if we made it, there is no point in playing games on it. Who knows, it might allready be alive. Does not the brick wall deserve to live? Are we superior if we use so much material to have that small brain? Is it really logic that humans should live?

What's the point of using something that could become someone in such a pointless way?

i dont understand what you mean with this

What a morbid bunch, why spend so much time talking about death? - there'll be plenty of time for that later....

cause im bored

Who knows, it might allready be alive

nope, take it to a doctor and it will surely be decleared dead

Is it really logic that humans should live?

well not really, why the hell do you think im trying to take ove ryou and assimilate you? for fun? well partly that but also cause of that

Originally Posted by Zelos

What's the point of using something that could become someone in such a pointless way?

i dont understand what you mean with this

What a morbid bunch, why spend so much time talking about death? - there'll be plenty of time for that later....

cause im bored

Who knows, it might allready be alive

nope, take it to a doctor and it will surely be decleared dead

Is it really logic that humans should live?

well not really, why the hell do you think im trying to take ove ryou and assimilate you? for fun? well partly that but also cause of that

Why don't you assimilate that which does not mind first?

Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly

But it is true isn't it? The computer would be alive if we made it, there is no point in playing games on it. Who knows, it might allready be alive. Does not the brick wall deserve to live? Are we superior if we use so much material to have that small brain? Is it really logic that humans should live?

I'm pretty sure we can't make the computer be alive... we can't even make ourselves be alive. As for the brick wall, well I would suggest that it does not deserve to live. I think that the reason we live has to do with why we are so different from the brick wall. If the brick wall was a better subject for life than I'm sure it would have been 'chosen'. I would say that it is logical that we live... as for what the logic is I don't know.

Still can't help feeling sorry for this wall, and this computer. When will they have their fun? To be choosen seems like such a responsibility.

Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly

Still can't help feeling sorry for this wall, and this computer. When will they have their fun? To be choosen seems like such a responsibility.

why feel sorry of a machine?

and choosen for what? you havent been choosen?

Because it could have become someone. Not that it matters. But anyway.

What do you know zelos, perhaps everything deserves to live. Why can't it?

perhaps everything deserves to live

if you mean live as a organic bieng i dont think its fair to put that curse upon everything in the universe. its bad enough we have the curse on us.

Because it could have become someone. Not that it matters. But anyway.

could have become someone? are you mad?
to be someone today it need to be organic. and a computer/wall isnt organic, they are mechanical by metal and other elements that isnt in living things in those huge quantities

We could surely make a photonic network out of the entire earth. But I bet it would be a very incommonly unsafe world. I agree totally on the cursical argument. Yet it would be cind of crestfallen for some matter. Yet it wouldn't. Crestfallen duality.

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Snopet att aldrig få vara mänsklig. Men inte på ett dåligt sätt.

Läste du förra numret av illustrerad vetenskap? Kanske man kan göra ett fotoniskt chip av jorden, av fotoniska kristaller. Fast det är nog inte roligt för den själv, kanske. Och det kanske tar för lång tid.

how do you expect anyone but yourself, i and the remaining swedish people on the forum to understand that?

a pc should be happy it isnt as imperfect as a human
they are much better than us and will be equally intelligent in a few decades

Possibly a computer will become smarter then a human. I hope the computers get something out of all this, though. Not to mention anything else that is unhuman. But logically, I'm sure they can't so it doesn't really matter.

A computer is only as smart as the person that programs it

What if 2 humans programs it?

fine then, 'A computer is only as smart as the PEOPLE that program it'

Yeah, definitely not smarter then that. But that's enough, isn't it?

Besides, do they have this "death syndrome" or not?

a self organizing program that dont require a person.
a ANN, artificial naural network, is capable to exced its programming.
Scientists have already created programs and robots capable to go beyond the programming they started with. Just as life allways has and human is

Depends on how you define person. I could easily say that the same person at different times has more intellect then on one time. Can the computer be smarter then the integral of intellect?

a person in the brain is simply information bieng processed in a certain way wich is decieded by how the neurons is connected wich also is the data it contain.

i say a computer can be equally intelligent and even more intelligent than a human bieng, they are superior to us

Good, then they can pay for the production of themselves.

why not? they´ll even be able to speed up their own progress.
we humans become obselete

Ofcourse we will.

But photonical crystals, they can't really feel joy. Only temporarily. Possibly.
Or can they?

Originally Posted by LeavingQuietly

Ofcourse we will.

But photonical crystals, they can't really feel joy. Only temporarily. Possibly.
Or can they?

why the hell woudlnt they be able to feel joy but why should we give them something so useless as emotions?

How can they feel joy when they hardly consume energy?

what does that have to do with anything?
energy consumtion has nothign to do with emotions and feeling. Only processing of data and the data itself has to dow ith it and since they use less energy on it they are better and superior to us

Exactly why do you think it is happy, what bounds did ever a photonic crystal make?

its system would be different but could achive something simular and faster

Yes, it could achieve absolutely nothing even faster.

well if you want to call nothing what we humans have achived and evolution have achived then i agree

Good. Any conclusions you would like to share Zelos?

that im supriced you havent been cought by the men in white coats yet, i called them 5 days ago

"They're coming to take me away haha, they're coming to take me away hoho. Hehe, haha, to the funny farm; with..."

Since when did progress ever make anyone more happy then plain stupid would make you.?

since i was born
the more i know the more happy i am
while i feel sad in the instead i see something i cant understand it

ignorance is a curse on humanity

Describe this feeling you have more.