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    I do not know or the "Physics" part is the correct place to ask this question but,

    lately I have been thinking a lot about exising :"do I exist?"
    Since there is no proof of exitance in any way and the concept of anything existing is less logical than nothing.
    Does this mean that it is more plausible that we do not exist than that we exist?

    Thank u for your time,
    (if I made any spelling/grammar mistakes you are always welcome to tell me, still learning, allways learning)


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    Quote Originally Posted by sportlaan View Post
    I do not know or the "Physics" part is the correct place to ask this question but
    It should probably be in Philosophy: physics doesn't exactly deal in things that may not exist.

    Since there is no proof of exitance in any way and the concept of anything existing is less logical than nothing.
    Why do you think this?

    Does this mean that it is more plausible that we do not exist than that we exist?
    The fact that you can ask is a pretty good indicator that you do exist.

    Thank u for your time,
    (if I made any spelling/grammar mistakes you are always welcome to tell me, still learning, allways learning)
    Apart from any other errors "u" should be "you" and "always" has only 1 "l".


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    Quote Originally Posted by sportlaan View Post
    do I exist?
    Yes. (Unless it was someone else who asked that question, in which case you might not.)
    ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat
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    I think it is more plausible that we exist, than to think that it is all just some strange game of the mind. At some point you have to let common sense take hold.

    Go read a very complicated physics textbook or research paper. Something that is way beyond you at the moment. Then go further and do your own research to verify that what is in it is correct; the mathematics, the experimental results, the conclusions, etc. Then ask yourself; if nothing exists, and the people who came up with all this also don't exist, would I have been able to come up with all this myself, before I learned this particular physics or mathematics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by william View Post
    I think it is more plausible that we exist, than to think that it is all just some strange game of the mind.
    And if it were some strange game of your mind, then you exist (even if nothing else does).
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    Quote Originally Posted by william View Post
    Then ask yourself; if nothing exists, and the people who came up with all this also don't exist, would I have been able to come up with all this myself, before I learned this particular physics or mathematics?
    That's ridiculous.
    I may be crazy, but I'm not half as crazy as the fictional people that only live in my head and who write physics books...
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    I actually have a bigger dilemma in my head with this: if the universe is spposed to be neutral why does it even exist this would onely increase the posibility of it becoming positive/negative/.. How does zero go to 1-1 can we use this aspect of nothing becoming two seperate things? And how?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sportlaan View Post
    if the universe is spposed to be neutral why does it even exist
    In what sense is it "supposed to be neutral"?
    Where did you come across this?
    Existence is not, so far as I can tell, related to neutrality or otherwise.

    this would onely increase the posibility of it becoming positive/negative/.
    Positive/ negative in what sense?

    How does zero go to 1-1 can we use this aspect of nothing becoming two seperate things? And how?
    Huh?
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    I'm sorry if I was unclear.1. It seems that everything has a counterpart and that the sum of all of these positive/negative(not the correct term) cancel each other out perfectly.2. You have to understand my way of thinking with this one : first there was nothing after IT (no correct terms for this present, also called big bang) happened ther were equal amounts of these parts who cancel out each other 1-1 why did IT happen and can we recreate this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sportlaan View Post
    It seems that everything has a counterpart
    Not everything has a counterpart (opposite?). What is the opposite of banana?

    and that the sum of all of these positive/negative(not the correct term) cancel each other out perfectly.
    Maybe. Maybe not. Matter and antimatter don't.

    2. You have to understand my way of thinking with this one
    That is going to be a challenge.

    first there was nothing
    How do you know that? Been reading those religious books again?

    after IT (no correct terms for this present, also called big bang) happened ther were equal amounts of these parts who cancel out each other
    If you mean matter and antimatter, then they didn't cancel out, or we wouldn't be here.

    why did IT happen and can we recreate this?
    How do you know there was an "IT"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sportlaan View Post
    1. It seems that everything has a counterpart
    Not exactly true: what's the "counterpart" of grass for example?

    and that the sum of all of these positive/negative(not the correct term) cancel each other out perfectly.
    Not true.

    2. You have to understand my way of thinking with this one : first there was nothing after IT (no correct terms for this present, also called big bang) happened ther were equal amounts of these parts who cancel out each other 1-1 why did IT happen and can we recreate this?
    We don't know that there was nothing, it has been proposed by, among others, Victor Stenger. But that's just a hypothesis.
    We don't know why it happened.
    Even if we could recreate it it wouldn't be "proof" that that's how it happened: there could be ways OTHER than what we've come up with as to how it did.
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    Again I'm sorry if I am unclear.I don't have the words to express myself.However I can tell you strange that I am not religios, onely paranoid (what a great song)I'm sorry for my non Sciency way
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    Quote Originally Posted by sportlaan View Post
    Again I'm sorry if I am unclear.I don't have the words to express myself.However I can tell you strange that I am not religios, onely paranoid (what a great song)I'm sorry for my non Sciency way

    Can I be of any assistance?
    I might be able to formulate your ideas in a more comprehensive way.
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    ~ Arthur Schopenhauer, The Art of Being Right: 38 Ways to Win an Argument (1831), Stratagem XXXVIII.
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    you can if you want to I'll give my questions in a tiny version-is there proof that I exist?-would onely the illusion of existance not be like against logic(assistance required)?-is it possible for the universe to be not neutral ?-what is temperature?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sportlaan View Post
    is there proof that I exist?

    I cannot prove your existence with absolute certainty. I cannot prove the existence of anything outside my mind with absolute certainty.
    It might be possible that you are a figment of my imagination, rather than an individual.

    The same reasoning applies, if it is valid, to you. In other words, you could say the same about me.
    That is the best answer I can come up with.

    -would onely the illusion of existance not be like against logic(assistance required)?

    How so?

    -is it possible for the universe to be not neutral ?

    What do you mean with "not neutral"?

    -what is temperature?

    Temperature (ˈtem-pə(r)-chur):
    "a measure of the average energy of the molecules of a body"
    (Merriam-Webster)


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    Quote Originally Posted by sportlaan View Post
    is there proof that I exist?
    It depends on how you define "existence".
    But, barring weird definitions of that then the answer is "yes", Cogito ergo sum.
    If you didn't exist then you could not question your own existence.

    would onely the illusion of existance not be like against logic(assistance required)?
    This one's trickier: it's not illogical, but, IMO, it's unlikelier than actual existence.

    is it possible for the universe to be not neutral ?
    Going on what's been said before: the universe isn't "neutral".

    what is temperature?
    It's a measure of average kinetic energy of the random microscopic motions of constituent microscopic particles such as electrons, atoms, and molecules.
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    i think what he means is does he really exist? i am not therefore i think not.
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    I think the duck is right.

    Philosophy it is.
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    I don't know if I exist. But you definitely do.
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    I now believe in my existance!
    yay
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