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    Compared to the age of the universe, 13.77 billion years, our lives of about 75 years is statistically insignificant; it can be ignored. Therefore, based on human statistics, we don't exist. If we don't exist, why worry about anything, since there is nothing to worry about since our lives are just an illusion?


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    there is to nothing worry ..but there is something that makes us worry is our consciousness


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    This nonsense from the OP is a bit tedious. Some people are able to advance a proposition like this and engage in discussion and argument based on it. So far, you seem unable to do this.

    If you don't wish to discuss but merely tell everyone their lives are pointless, you might as well give up now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adelady View Post
    This nonsense from the OP is a bit tedious. Some people are able to advance a proposition like this and engage in discussion and argument based on it. So far, you seem unable to do this.

    If you don't wish to discuss but merely tell everyone their lives are pointless, you might as well give up now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I.G. View Post
    Compared to the age of the universe, 13.77 billion years, our lives of about 75 years is statistically insignificant; it can be ignored. Therefore, based on human statistics, we don't exist. If we don't exist, why worry about anything, since there is nothing to worry about since our lives are just an illusion?
    Why bother posting this.
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    Statistically speaking, the entire Universe, a transfinite number of stars, planets, etc. exist solely for my own, personal benefit.

    That'll do, Universe, that'll do.
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    I always knew I was the figment of someone's imagination. Good job Daecon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I.G. View Post
    Compared to the age of the universe, 13.77 billion years, our lives of about 75 years is statistically insignificant; it can be ignored. Therefore, based on human statistics, we don't exist. If we don't exist, why worry about anything, since there is nothing to worry about since our lives are just an illusion?
    Statistically speaking, you are only one among 44,500 registered members here, and thus your personal opinions are wholly insignificant, and can be ignored. Therefore, your opinion doesn't exist; if it doesn't exist, why bother with it or worry about it ? You are wasting your time even typing this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I.G. View Post
    Compared to the age of the universe, 13.77 billion years, our lives of about 75 years is statistically insignificant; it can be ignored. Therefore, based on human statistics, we don't exist. If we don't exist, why worry about anything, since there is nothing to worry about since our lives are just an illusion?
    Geez, I hate having to always pick on the god believers but could be a lot of people feel like you, except, they've found theism and all its secondary beliefs. You just haven't taken that step, at least so it appears. The rest of us non-theists kind of like it here, don't care if life is pointless and are just happy to have the chance to be alive in the human body. Life is what you make of it.....sounds corny but that is it. We have no idea if anything else is in store for us and we accept that. Top of the food chain is also good.
    All that belongs to human understanding, in this deep ignorance and obscurity, is to be skeptical, or at least cautious; and not to admit of any hypothesis, whatsoever; much less, of any which is supported by no appearance of probability...Hume
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    Quote Originally Posted by I.G. View Post
    Compared to the age of the universe, 13.77 billion years, our lives of about 75 years is statistically insignificant; it can be ignored. Therefore, based on human statistics, we don't exist. If we don't exist, why worry about anything, since there is nothing to worry about since our lives are just an illusion?
    Maybe you should just accept what life means to you and be comfortable with that. There are others who do not see it that way and are enjoying what they perceive it to be. For some reason you have hit a disappointing bump in the road of life, it is certainly not the end for everyone. What on earth could have made you so miserable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by I.G. View Post
    Compared to the age of the universe, 13.77 billion years, our lives of about 75 years is statistically insignificant; it can be ignored. Therefore, based on human statistics, we don't exist. If we don't exist, why worry about anything, since there is nothing to worry about since our lives are just an illusion?
    Hmm... Let us see. 1377*10^7 / 75. That's still a larger value than an infinitesimal, which are used to calculate instantaneous velocities, which allow us to answer Xenos paradoxes, and hence motion is possible. So a quantity which you have dismissed as insignificant, is greater than a quantity which defines an integral and major aspect of the universe.

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    Nihilism at its finest.

    Which is to say, annoying and tedious.
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    Compared to the millions of other cranks in the world, you are relatively insignificant. But gosh darn it, you can still be vexatious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I.G. View Post
    Compared to the age of the universe, 13.77 billion years, our lives of about 75 years is statistically insignificant; it can be ignored. Therefore, based on human statistics, we don't exist. If we don't exist, why worry about anything, since there is nothing to worry about since our lives are just an illusion?
    You do exist. And what you choose to do or don't do ...will have a ripple effect. You may think your life has no real significance, but the footprint you leave behind...may bring about a change, ten years down the road. You never know. Just by someone knowing you for the very brief time you were here, you will have impacted another person's life...in some way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I.G. View Post
    Compared to the age of the universe, 13.77 billion years, our lives of about 75 years is statistically insignificant; it can be ignored. Therefore, based on human statistics, we don't exist. If we don't exist, why worry about anything, since there is nothing to worry about since our lives are just an illusion?
    Everything that we know requires our mind, so the only thing that we can be most sure about is that we exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wegs View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by I.G. View Post
    Compared to the age of the universe, 13.77 billion years, our lives of about 75 years is statistically insignificant; it can be ignored. Therefore, based on human statistics, we don't exist. If we don't exist, why worry about anything, since there is nothing to worry about since our lives are just an illusion?
    You do exist. And what you choose to do or don't do ...will have a ripple effect. You may think your life has no real significance, but the footprint you leave behind...may bring about a change, ten years down the road. You never know. Just by someone knowing you for the very brief time you were here, you will have impacted another person's life...in some way.
    Amen.
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    Stepping in another direction... I want to put a thought about stats and existence out there. When this whole question "Why do we exist" comes up, it seems that people tend to lean in one of two camps: "There is no reason that we exist, it's a happy accident" -or- "Because some reason, usually creation"

    Well, I was trying to think about it objectively... Isn't it reasonable to argue that the odds of our existence are stacked in our favour?

    When I think about it, the chance that Humans would exist somewhere, at some point in time, is far more likely than humans never existing ever. There's nothing particularly special about us being here right now, this situation is just as much a data point as the infinite number of other data points. Is "here right now" any less of a "somewhere at some point" than "Kepler 22B one billion years from now" or "some planet in some other galaxy, one million years ago"? The population is of an infinite size, is it surprising that the conditions that enable human life were going to occur at least once?

    Therefore, I propose that there is a reason, however semantic, that we exist: We exist because statistically it would have been more surprising if we never existed at all.Does anyone have any thoughts about this? Have I committed any logical fallacies, are there any reasons that this is actually wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stander-j View Post
    Stepping in another direction... I want to put a thought about stats and existence out there. When this whole question "Why do we exist" comes up, it seems that people tend to lean in one of two camps: "There is no reason that we exist, it's a happy accident" -or- "Because some reason, usually creation"

    Well, I was trying to think about it objectively... Isn't it reasonable to argue that the odds of our existence are stacked in our favour?

    When I think about it, the chance that Humans would exist somewhere, at some point in time, is far more likely than humans never existing ever. There's nothing particularly special about us being here right now, this situation is just as much a data point as the infinite number of other data points. Is "here right now" any less of a "somewhere at some point" than "Kepler 22B one billion years from now" or "some planet in some other galaxy, one million years ago"? The population is of an infinite size, is it surprising that the conditions that enable human life were going to occur at least once?

    Therefore, I propose that there is a reason, however semantic, that we exist: We exist because statistically it would have been more surprising if we never existed at all.Does anyone have any thoughts about this? Have I committed any logical fallacies, are there any reasons that this is actually wrong?
    If you are not aware of the anthropic principle, I highly recommend you read into it, Anthropic principle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .

    My thoughts are that we shouldn't be surprised by anything that was not in question before it happens. For example, I just breathed in a particle from some supernova. Nobody should be surprised because it isn't a surprise. However, if an alien on Mars sees that supernova and somehow pinpoints an atom from it, then questions what the odds of that atom being breathed in by someone on their neighboring planet exactly 1 billion years later (in November in the year 2013) would be, then that should be a surprise.

    But nobody questioned if human life was possible before human life evolved, so why should this be interesting or a surprise? Just like nobody questioned millions of years ago - or even just 10 days ago - if someone would breath in a particular atom on November 11 at 2:54 pm.

    But those are just my thoughts.
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