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    First: should anyone really be fully entitled to any opinion?
    Second: is an opinion, by default, not wrong nor right?


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    1st: What do you mean "entitled"? You might as well ask people to give up breathing as ask them to not have an opinion. Are we "entitled" to think?
    2nd: It's wrong if it disagrees with me.


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    You may be entitled to your own opinion.
    You are never entitled to your own facts.

    Leaving aside the question of facts for a moment, there's a huge difference between holding an opinion, expressing that opinion generally then, ultimately, forcing that opinion on people who've expressly said they don't want to hear about it.

    All you have to do is to look at some of the deeply nasty racist and sexist stuff that turns up on the intertubes. Or not look at it. I can choose not to click on to a link to a video of someone known to hold and state (at length) unpleasant opinions. But it's very hard to avoid visually intrusive stuff like headlines or pictures (the photoshopped variety can offer some of the deepest reactions to some recipients).

    In the end, no one can stop you from thinking anything. But adults all learn to behave and to restrain themselves appropriately in different settings - at funerals and weddings, in pubs and playgrounds, at work or with friends around the BBQ, at dinner with the in-laws or over coffee with a friend - we all know that opinions that we hold consistently will either be expressed differently, or not at all, in some situations. Holding opinions is one thing. Expressing them is another. Expressing them in a way, or with a particular person or group, that is with knowledge that people will be upset/offended or for the purpose of deliberately upsetting and offending others is another thing entirely.
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    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

    We also should be aware that sometimes our "opinion" may be incorrect as it might be based on insufficient information.

    AND!

    It's ok to be wrong!

    Even YOU, SIR DUCK OF EARL!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    1st: What do you mean "entitled"? You might as well ask people to give up breathing as ask them to not have an opinion. Are we "entitled" to think?
    2nd: It's wrong if it disagrees with me.
    Am I entitled to my opinion, is it perfectly alright that I have my opinion, even if the opinion is drawn from an invalid source or is potentially dangerous to have?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    1st: What do you mean "entitled"? You might as well ask people to give up breathing as ask them to not have an opinion. Are we "entitled" to think?
    2nd: It's wrong if it disagrees with me.
    Am I entitled to my opinion, is it perfectly alright that I have my opinion, even if the opinion is drawn from an invalid source or is potentially dangerous to have?
    Absolutely, but as adelady very eloquently explained, holding an opinion does not entitle you to force your opinion on others or demand that others respect it. If your opinion is that facts are wrong, then others are entitled to the opinion that you are stupid. But no one is entitled to express their opinions where ever they choose. While this forum is on public display it is still a privately owned forum. So certain opinions are not supported or allowed to be supported on this forum. The same goes for any other private property. A baptist church will not be required to tolerate the opinions of their faith held by atheists to be expressed inside their building or on church grounds. A funeral home who is providing service to the grieving family who lost a gay loved one is not required to tolerate the expression of the opinions of Westboro baptist church on it's property.

    So you are entitled to hold whatever opinion you choose. You are not entitled to express it where ever you choose. Others are not required to respect your opinions and they are entitled to form whatever opinion of you they so choose based on whatever opinions you choose to express.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    How could you possibly take away someone's ability to have an opinion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Lobotomy?
    I got one and turned out just fine.
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    Opinions are based upon what you hear about something not the actual facts that you'd need to verify those opinions and until you verify those facts you are only going to have opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
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    Lobotomy?
    I got one and turned out just fine.
    Obviously! joc
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    How could you possibly take away someone's ability to have an opinion?
    you can't......people will always have opinions and even if they can prove them...someone else will have a different one that disproves the others and on it goes....

    How many studies in things may have a common denominator yet draw different conclusions and each person who did the study, stands by their opinion.

    By the way.....after the second lobotomy you are even better!
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    Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Everyone has the responsibility to society to have good opinions.

    Society is entitled to reject an opinion. Society has the responsibility to people to protect their right to an opinion.

    This is a weird cycle of rights and responsibilities, but I believe that if anyone thinks about it for a while then they will agree.
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    Everyone has the responsibility to society to have good opinions.
    What's a 'good' opinion?
    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
    Philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy
    Prof Richard Feynman (1979) .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexG View Post
    Everyone has the responsibility to society to have good opinions.
    What's a 'good' opinion?
    *L* though I didn't make that statement, I shall answer that question!


    MINE!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jewish-Scientist View Post
    Everyone has the responsibility to society to have good opinions.
    Interesting.
    Do people have the responsibility to not lie when expressing a "good opinion"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    Everyone has the responsibility to society to have good opinions.
    Interesting.
    Do people have the responsibility to not lie when expressing a "good opinion"?
    I would hoe that people expressing a "good opinion" do it from the head and the heart ......and that it does not include a "lie" factor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlunka View Post
    How could you possibly take away someone's ability to have an opinion?
    I'd put it differently

    What RIGHT do you have to take away someone's opinion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I would hoe that people expressing a "good opinion" do it from the head and the heart ......and that it does not include a "lie" factor.
    Hence my question - deliberately asked of the very person that invented a "quote" (among other things) from a book to support his (incorrect) contention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    I would hoe that people expressing a "good opinion" do it from the head and the heart ......and that it does not include a "lie" factor.
    Hence my question - deliberately asked of the very person that invented a "quote" (among other things) from a book to support his (incorrect) contention.
    Sir Ducky, I would not like that at all.

    If you are voicing your opinion, voice it with your words, and do not use another's or make up another's.

    Isn't it YOUR OPINION? *S*

    and opinions are just that....opinions...and nothing wrong with an opinion......*cough* even if mine is right and yours is.....er....*cough, cough* lacking.... (just kidding)
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    Sir Ducky, I would not like that at all.
    If you are voicing your opinion, voice it with your words, and do not use another's or make up another's.
    Huh?

    Isn't it YOUR OPINION? *S*
    and opinions are just that....opinions...and nothing wrong with an opinion......*cough* even if mine is right and yours is.....er....*cough, cough* lacking.... (just kidding)
    When someone quotes from a book - to support their claim - and that quote does not appear in the book, at all, is that an opinion?
    And, more specifically, when that someone has it pointed out to them that said quote doesn't appear in the book and is asked for an explanation is it honest to not only not provide an explanation but to desist completely from posting in the relevant thread?

    Is it not then hypocritical to state in a different thread that "everyone has the responsibility to society to have good opinions"?
    Personally, and this IS an opinion - mine, I'd say that honesty is more important to society than "good opinions" (whatever they are).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    Sir Ducky, I would not like that at all.
    If you are voicing your opinion, voice it with your words, and do not use another's or make up another's.
    Huh?

    Isn't it YOUR OPINION? *S*
    and opinions are just that....opinions...and nothing wrong with an opinion......*cough* even if mine is right and yours is.....er....*cough, cough* lacking.... (just kidding)
    When someone quotes from a book - to support their claim - and that quote does not appear in the book, at all, is that an opinion?
    And, more specifically, when that someone has it pointed out to them that said quote doesn't appear in the book and is asked for an explanation is it honest to not only not provide an explanation but to desist completely from posting in the relevant thread?

    Is it not then hypocritical to state in a different thread that "everyone has the responsibility to society to have good opinions"?
    Personally, and this IS an opinion - mine, I'd say that honesty is more important to society than "good opinions" (whatever they are).
    IF YOU READ what I SAID...you would see that we are saying the SAME THING!

    Don't fudge on the opinion! Be honest and straightforward....EVEN if my opinion is, of course always right!...sheesh...

    I forget....no sense of humor....
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    'Good' is defined in The New Webster Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language on page 372 as, "to any useful end or purpose". So if you form an opinion with the belief that it will help someone in someway at sometime, than it is an good opinion. Also, 'society' is defined in the same book on page 796 as, "the relationship of men to one another when associated".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jewish-Scientist View Post
    'Good' is defined in The New Webster Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language on page 372 as, "to any useful end or purpose". So if you form an opinion with the belief that it will help someone in someway at sometime, than it is an good opinion. Also, 'society' is defined in the same book on page 796 as, "the relationship of men to one another when associated".
    And "opinion" is a view point on a particular topic.
    Rather hard to have a "good opinion".
    How does my opinion that Marmite tastes awful help or hinder anyone?
    How does my opinion that oranges are even worse work for or against society?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Jewish-Scientist View Post
    'Good' is defined in The New Webster Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language on page 372 as, "to any useful end or purpose". So if you form an opinion with the belief that it will help someone in someway at sometime, than it is an good opinion. Also, 'society' is defined in the same book on page 796 as, "the relationship of men to one another when associated".
    And "opinion" is a view point on a particular topic.
    Rather hard to have a "good opinion".
    How does my opinion that Marmite tastes awful help or hinder anyone?
    How does my opinion that oranges are even worse work for or against society?
    But, Sir Duck, don't you sometimes learn by listening to another's opinion? Or possibly question yours by their view point, that is probably produced by a personal experience?
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    But, Sir Duck, don't you sometimes learn by listening to another's opinion?
    Yep.
    I learn how mistaken some people can be.

    But that doesn't say anything about whether or not their opinion is "good".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    But, Sir Duck, don't you sometimes learn by listening to another's opinion?
    Yep.
    I learn how mistaken some people can be.

    But that doesn't say anything about whether or not their opinion is "good".
    I am dead determined to get a positive typing out of your fingers, Sir Duck!
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    I tend to think Dywyddyr is pretty positive about all of his posts. It's the readers of his post that may feel uneasy about them.... but only because they can't relate. About the only one he has ever made that I cannot relate to is the one he mentioned wearing pink feathered boas in lol. I would never wear pink. Maybe electric blue but I hate pink.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jewish-Scientist View Post
    'Good' is defined in The New Webster Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language on page 372 as, "to any useful end or purpose". So if you form an opinion with the belief that it will help someone in someway at sometime, than it is an good opinion. Also, 'society' is defined in the same book on page 796 as, "the relationship of men to one another when associated".
    Useful is also a subjective term. To a serial killer, a tool that will help them to take lives without leaving any evidence would be extremely useful. To a rapist, a drug that makes even the most sexually prudish person as horny and lacking in judgement as a nymphomaniac ex-convict that spent his/her prison entire stay in solitary confinement, would also be extremely useful.

    Definition of USEFUL
    1
    : capable of being put to use; especially : serviceable for an end or purpose <useful tools>
    2
    : of a valuable or productive kind <do something useful with your life>
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    It's kind of pointless to define one subjective term in more, equally subjective terms.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    About the only one he has ever made that I cannot relate to is the one he mentioned wearing pink feathered boas in lol. I would never wear pink. Maybe electric blue but I hate pink.
    Ah, long story short - I used to have a regular night with 3 (female) friends once a week in a local night club. One evening it was fancy dress night (Halloween?) and, to "compliment" my usual attire of all black (except for a very dark blue leather bike jacket) and sunglasses 1, they'd bought me a (very cheap) pink feather boa - thinking I wouldn't wear it.
    I did.
    All night.

    1 Because my usual response to "fancy dress" is to go as a psychotic killer. ("But you don't look like one." "Of course not - until it's too late").
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    About the only one he has ever made that I cannot relate to is the one he mentioned wearing pink feathered boas in lol. I would never wear pink. Maybe electric blue but I hate pink.
    Ah, long story short - I used to have a regular night with 3 (female) friends once a week in a local night club. One evening it was fancy dress night (Halloween?) and, to "compliment" my usual attire of all black (except for a very dark blue leather bike jacket) and sunglasses 1, they'd bought me a (very cheap) pink feather boa - thinking I wouldn't wear it.
    I did.
    All night.

    1 Because my usual response to "fancy dress" is to go as a psychotic killer. ("But you don't look like one." "Of course not - until it's too late").
    Good sport, and we don't know that you aren't!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    Good sport
    The funniest part came afterwards - my parents visited my house (for some reason) and when my mother saw the boa (hanging over the handrail of the stairs) remarked "My god! What sort of women are you associating with?".
    And I replied - "That's MINE, not a woman's".

    , and we don't know that you aren't!!!
    Quite - when you inform people that you are, they tend, rather than avoiding you - which would be the sensible option, to say "Go on then, prove it".
    It's probably due to the same gene that makes you touch wet paint when the sign tells you it's wet and not to touch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    About the only one he has ever made that I cannot relate to is the one he mentioned wearing pink feathered boas in lol. I would never wear pink. Maybe electric blue but I hate pink.
    Ah, long story short - I used to have a regular night with 3 (female) friends once a week in a local night club. One evening it was fancy dress night (Halloween?) and, to "compliment" my usual attire of all black (except for a very dark blue leather bike jacket) and sunglasses 1, they'd bought me a (very cheap) pink feather boa - thinking I wouldn't wear it.
    I did.
    All night.

    1 Because my usual response to "fancy dress" is to go as a psychotic killer. ("But you don't look like one." "Of course not - until it's too late").
    lol I would have responded.... "Apparently you have never, knowingly, met a psychotic killer before. Don't let the movies fool ya. We look just like everyone else." And then grin real big and wink.

    Reminds me of a very candid conversation I had with some poor black kids that rode the school bus I drove. They said I was weird. I asked them why they thought that. And the one said, "Cuz white people usually be scared of us, but you ain't. Why ain't you scared of us?"

    I laughed and said,"Well, its quite simple really. The stereotype is that black people will shoot you, rob you, rape you or assault you.I have had all except the shooting done to me and I have survived it all. Shooting would be less traumatic than the other stuff I've survived, especially if I got lucky and died. But white people can and sometimes do weird twisted stuff to people. Most serial killers are white. And serial killers do all sorts of things like, keep you locked up for years, torture you, make you help them kill other people, make you eat strange things, and may even eat you. They may take your skin and wear it as a costume, and if you are lucky they will kill you before they do it. And sometimes seemingly normal white mothers, will chuck their own babies into dumpsters or drive their cars into lakes with their babies strapped inside and then say some black guy carjacked. So tell me, who do you think the scarier people are?" Then I just smiled at them and winked. I tell ya, those kids were the sweetest kids in the entire district, they freakin adored me.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    Good sport
    The funniest part came afterwards - my parents visited my house (for some reason) and when my mother saw the boa (hanging over the handrail of the stairs) remarked "My god! What sort of women are you associating with?".
    And I replied - "That's MINE, not a woman's".

    , and we don't know that you aren't!!!
    Quite - when you inform people that you are, they tend, rather than avoiding you - which would be the sensible option, to say "Go on then, prove it".
    It's probably due to the same gene that makes you touch wet paint when the sign tells you it's wet and not to touch.

    That is SO SO SO FUNNY!!! You're Mum must have been aghast!! *L* but see, my son dresses up for Halloween, which is his favorite holiday, (most likely because he wasn conceived on Halloween) and 4 years ago he was the St. Pauli girl for Halloween!!

    His sister said to me, "D***** Mom, (brother) has better legs than I DO! He was HOT! *laughing*.

    I love that you have that sense of self!!....and deprecating humor!!
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    Yes people are entitled to their opinion, their preferences, their tastes, etc. There must be a reference Im missing for this to be asked as a question (Tell us in your own words, be yourself)
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    Quote Originally Posted by icewendigo View Post
    Yes people are entitled to their opinion, their preferences, their tastes, etc. There must be a reference Im missing for this to be asked as a question (Tell us in your own words, be yourself)
    I am missing something....is there a question in there?
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    er.. opinions are all of equal value.

    If person A says New Yorkers should be enslaved, and person B says that all Americans should get $200,000 free from the government every year, then both are of equal moral value. I generally never call others out on their opinions, it's a free world and there is no barometer as all know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
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    'Good' is defined in The New Webster Encyclopedic Dictionary of the English Language on page 372 as, "to any useful end or purpose". So if you form an opinion with the belief that it will help someone in someway at sometime, than it is an good opinion. Also, 'society' is defined in the same book on page 796 as, "the relationship of men to one another when associated".
    Useful is also a subjective term. To a serial killer, a tool that will help them to take lives without leaving any evidence would be extremely useful. To a rapist, a drug that makes even the most sexually prudish person as horny and lacking in judgement as a nymphomaniac ex-convict that spent his/her prison entire stay in solitary confinement, would also be extremely useful.

    Definition of USEFUL
    1
    : capable of being put to use; especially : serviceable for an end or purpose <useful tools>
    2
    : of a valuable or productive kind <do something useful with your life>
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    It's kind of pointless to define one subjective term in more, equally subjective terms.
    So you condone murder? OK....
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    Quote Originally Posted by icewendigo View Post
    Yes people are entitled to their opinion, their preferences, their tastes, etc. There must be a reference Im missing for this to be asked as a question (Tell us in your own words, be yourself)
    Exactly. there is no reference point for a "good" or "bad" opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
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    1st: What do you mean "entitled"? You might as well ask people to give up breathing as ask them to not have an opinion. Are we "entitled" to think?
    2nd: It's wrong if it disagrees with me.
    Am I entitled to my opinion, is it perfectly alright that I have my opinion, even if the opinion is drawn from an invalid source or is potentially dangerous to have?
    Absolutely, but as adelady very eloquently explained, holding an opinion does not entitle you to force your opinion on others or demand that others respect it. If your opinion is that facts are wrong, then others are entitled to the opinion that you are stupid. But no one is entitled to express their opinions where ever they choose. While this forum is on public display it is still a privately owned forum. So certain opinions are not supported or allowed to be supported on this forum. The same goes for any other private property. A baptist church will not be required to tolerate the opinions of their faith held by atheists to be expressed inside their building or on church grounds. A funeral home who is providing service to the grieving family who lost a gay loved one is not required to tolerate the expression of the opinions of Westboro baptist church on it's property.

    So you are entitled to hold whatever opinion you choose. You are not entitled to express it where ever you choose. Others are not required to respect your opinions and they are entitled to form whatever opinion of you they so choose based on whatever opinions you choose to express.
    Who cares how opinions are expressed? Any opinion is valid.
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    It is my opinion you are a stupid asshat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
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    How could you possibly take away someone's ability to have an opinion?
    you can't......people will always have opinions and even if they can prove them...someone else will have a different one that disproves the others and on it goes....

    How many studies in things may have a common denominator yet draw different conclusions and each person who did the study, stands by their opinion.

    By the way.....after the second lobotomy you are even better!
    lol... perchance, how can a subjective standpoint be disproven?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sarnamluvu View Post
    Who cares how opinions are expressed? Any opinion is valid.
    Valid ≠ useful.
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    What is useful? And who defines it? If you mean useful for the general utility, perhaps. But then we live in a free society, so it's fair game concerning opinions.
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    Which is exactly why your opinion is both as valid and as useful as the crazy guy who lives under a bridge and thinks the pidgeons are NSA spies.
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    There is no tool for measurement that exists for such.

    The value of an opinion depends on the morals/value of an individual and/or his or her society. Little else.
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    That's your opinion.

    It isn't worth beans.

    That's my opinion.
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    My opinion is your judgment means shit. learn some humility, idiot. lol.
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    Don't take it so seriously. I'm satirizing you. I suppose you'll have to Google that term now.
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    yes, I know that term. Though I still am amused when there are numerous other contradictions here, but meh, not my issue.
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    Well you do have issues.
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    lulz.. the only issue is I'm amused, which I deem a positive issue not a bad one.

    So yeah, contradiction is evil, lol.. And yes, I have a non-congruent worldview. Most do in the contemporary world. So as I live in 2014, then it figures. Modern values in general are very non-congruent, get with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch View Post
    First: should anyone really be fully entitled to any opinion?

    yes. Though the brain-regulation police don't like that...

    Second: is an opinion, by default, not wrong nor right?
    No. An opinion is a subjective standpoint, it cannot be by definition right or wrong inherently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icewendigo View Post
    Yes people are entitled to their opinion, their preferences, their tastes, etc. There must be a reference Im missing for this to be asked as a question (Tell us in your own words, be yourself)

    I agree with you that all individuals are entitled to their own opinion.
    Yet, are we entitled to state (and/or publish) our opinions, even if they are discriminating in nature?
    "The only safe rule is to dispute only with those of your acquaintance of whom you know that they possess sufficient intelligence and self-respect not to advance absurdities; to appeal to reason and not to authority, and to listen to reason and yield to it; and, finally, to be willing to accept reason even from an opponent, and to be just enough to bear being proved to be in the wrong."

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    It is my opinion you are a stupid asshat.
    Yes, because I "contradict" and I'm "not allowed" to do so. lol.... Allowed by whom?
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    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
    All opinions are purely opinions and are neither right nor wrong.

    When you speak your mind and offend someone, you're not wrong. You're just a prick for doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EugeneT View Post
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
    All opinions are purely opinions and are neither right nor wrong.
    When you speak your mind and offend someone, you're not wrong. You're just a prick for doing so.
    Nah.
    No one should ever voice an opinion that offends someone for fear of being deemed a prick?

    What do you do, skirt round an issue until you establish the other's view and then, if your opinion is different and likely to be offensive to them, avoid expressing it?
    What happens if their view on a subject (voiced or not) turns out to be offensive to me?
    I'd have already discerned what their opinion is, do I therefore not say anything to keep them sweet while simultaneously not expressing my view and thus tacitly agreeing with a view that I find offensive?

    An opinion is an opinion.
    You can state your opinion but if someone finds it offensive then you have to accept that they too have an opinion and are equally allowed to give theirs.
    What someone takes offense at is, essentially, an "opinion" of theirs.

    Alternatively, and much simpler:
    "When you speak your mind and offend someone, you're not wrong. You're just a prick in their opinion for doing so"
    Does that make them correct?
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    I think I have just been called a prick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch View Post
    First: should anyone really be fully entitled to any opinion?
    Second: is an opinion, by default, not wrong nor right?
    It's unclear whether you wanted a discussion about people having an opinion, which obviously most people do about just about everything, or the various ways they express that opinion.

    I think it rather obvious we can think what ever we want about something--but there's restrictions about how we express it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babe View Post
    I think I have just been called a prick.
    If you read his other posts you'll see that Eugene is obsessed with pricks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PumaMan View Post
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    I think I have just been called a prick.
    If you read his other posts you'll see that Eugene is obsessed with pricks.
    I don't have that equipment.
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