Thread: Meaning of Life

I was in a Religious lecture about God and the meaning of life, as it began to drag on and get boring my eyes wondered onto a hot chick close to me who is fairly attractive and then i wondered.

The meaning of life is to have Sex.
In order for a species to continue living they have to reproduce .To do this they need to survive , to survive they evolve according to their environment.

This helps them survive, and be able to reproduce to carry on their species .

Prey mantises die when they breed. They've done their duty .Their heads get bitten off by the female after the eggs are fertilized.
He's finished reproducing and done his work .

Obviously not everything's going to die once it' shad sex .But that's an example of a reality.


Does this seem logically right? Can someone counter this argument

Originally Posted by PhDemon

You've already posted this in another forum, once is enough.

Ill delete the other then

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

Originally Posted by PhDemon

You've already posted this in another forum, once is enough.

Ill delete the other then

if i can..

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

The meaning of life is to have Sex.
In order for a species to continue living they have to reproduce .To do this they need to survive , to survive they evolve according to their environment.

...

Does this seem logically right?

Not at first glance, No.

You might want to know that certain plantlife and animals are able to asexually reproduce. Therefore having "sex" in-order to reproduce and as a continuation of Life isn't necessarily and always cast in stone. There are people who have taken a celibate approach to life, and not just for religious reasons. Therefore the meaning to Life also isn't that as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

Can someone counter this argument

Does my attempt count?

Originally Posted by scoobydoo1

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

The meaning of life is to have Sex.
In order for a species to continue living they have to reproduce .To do this they need to survive , to survive they evolve according to their environment.

...

Does this seem logically right?

Not at first glance, No.

You might want to know that certain plantlife and animals are able to asexually reproduce. Therefore having "sex" in-order to reproduce and as a continuation of Life isn't necessarily and always cast in stone. There are people who have taken a celibate approach to life, and not just for religious reasons. Therefore the meaning to Life also isn't that as well.

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

Can someone counter this argument

Does my attempt count?

But they're still reproducing. No matter what they're doing. Although not physically, its a form of reproduction.

They may have chosen to be celibate as well ,a choice. The percentage of celibates is low in contrast to those who aren't and could maybe be a psychological choice.

I mean, are we told on how to reproduce sexually or is it instinct ?

Moved and merged to philosophy where it fits better than biology. Enjoy.

Originally Posted by Lynx_Fox

Moved and merged to philosophy where it fits better than biology. Enjoy.

Oh right, thanks

No wonder I'm always so gloomy, if the meaning of life is sex.

Originally Posted by shlunka

No wonder I'm always so gloomy, if the meaning of life is sex.

Im not if you're serious or not but i honestly laughed at that.

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

But they're still reproducing. No matter what they're doing. Although not physically, its a form of reproduction.

Would you like to change the meaning to life isn't sex to reproduction instead? But even that has it's problems as I will provide an example below.

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

They may have chosen to be celibate as well ,a choice. The percentage of celibates is low in contrast to those who aren't and could maybe be a psychological choice.

Are you also aware of the sexual orientation known as asexuality? Not asexual reproduction, but asexuality. You can refer to the following link for a little more information.

Asexuality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ultimately, for any individual, there is no meaning of life, except that which one makes of it.

At the very worst, one is recycling atoms within the biosphere. If that has meaning for you, then do you wish for more?
Speaking about "within the biosphere", some folks seem determined to spend their lives attempting to remove atoms from the biosphere, and fling them out into space, out of the atmosphere, and out of the solar system. Does the earth miss those atoms?

Originally Posted by scoobydoo1

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

But they're still reproducing. No matter what they're doing. Although not physically, its a form of reproduction.

Would you like to change the meaning to life isn't sex to reproduction instead? But even that has it's problems as I will provide an example below.

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

They may have chosen to be celibate as well ,a choice. The percentage of celibates is low in contrast to those who aren't and could maybe be a psychological choice.

Are you also aware of the sexual orientation known as asexuality? Not asexual reproduction, but asexuality. You can refer to the following link for a little more information.

Asexuality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Despite Asexuality and such. Think of it from an instinctive view, not religious or choosing.

Originally Posted by sculptor

Ultimately, for any individual, there is no meaning of life, except that which one makes of it.

At the very worst, one is recycling atoms within the biosphere. If that has meaning for you, then do you wish for more?
Speaking about "within the biosphere", some folks seem determined to spend their lives attempting to remove atoms from the biosphere, and fling them out into space, out of the atmosphere, and out of the solar system. Does the earth miss those atoms?

I get it.Are you saying that a meaning being a desire to achieve something or a dream?
Would the Earth miss those atoms?

"Desire", per se, ofttimes enslaves those who have it.

(more than a "wish" yet less than a whisper?)

Also keep in mind that some animals like Manikins , have main purpose's is to mate. They create colors,design homes, and even have wing-men just to attract another bird and mate . They decorate themselves and are born with bright colors just to attract the opposite sex.

I think you described evolutionary survival/adaptation strategies, and not "the meaning of life"

though
perhaps they are the same?
or not
If being attractive to potential mates is the alpha and omega of "the meaning of life"
then
why these words?

Originally Posted by sculptor

I think you described evolutionary survival/adaptation strategies, and not "the meaning of life"


If being attractive to potential mates is the alpha and omega of "the meaning of life"
then
why these words?

What do you mean? The same

Originally Posted by sculptor

I think you described evolutionary survival/adaptation strategies, and not "the meaning of life"<br>
<br><br>
If being attractive to potential mates is the alpha and omega of "the meaning of life"<br>
then<br>
why these words?

<br><br>What do you mean? The same&nbsp;

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

Originally Posted by sculptor

I think you described evolutionary survival/adaptation strategies, and not "the meaning of life"<br>
<br><br>
If being attractive to potential mates is the alpha and omega of "the meaning of life"<br>
then<br>
why these words?

<br><br>What do you mean? The same&nbsp;

Whoops.Ignore that.

not quite
ergo: the choice different of words

Originally Posted by sculptor

not quite
ergo: the choice different of words

I'm sorry.But i lost you at "
though
perhaps they are the same?
or not
If being attractive to potential mates is the alpha and omega of "the meaning of life"
then
why these words?"

What do you mean in being the same?

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

I was in a Religious lecture about God and the meaning of life, as it began to drag on and get boring my eyes wondered onto a hot chick close to me who is fairly attractive and then i wondered.

The meaning of life is to have Sex.
In order for a species to continue living they have to reproduce .To do this they need to survive , to survive they evolve according to their environment.

This helps them survive, and be able to reproduce to carry on their species .

Prey mantises die when they breed. They've done their duty .Their heads get bitten off by the female after the eggs are fertilized.
He's finished reproducing and done his work .

Obviously not everything's going to die once it' shad sex .But that's an example of a reality.


Does this seem logically right? Can someone counter this argument

We reproduce but what does that do for us, absolutely nothing which is why we need religion.

Originally Posted by jakesyl

which is why we need religion.

"Need"?
I doubt it.

We do need religion, watch this and see if it can change your opinion it talks about being a ritual

Originally Posted by jakesyl

We do need religion

Unsupported claim.

watch this and see if it can change your opinion it talks about being a ritual

My "opinion" hasn't changed.

It may be said that some people feel a need for religion. They will create a religious like pattern to anything that is the current trend. It's the way our brains are.
But that is not the same as saying people need religion, in general.

Originally Posted by Neverfly

It may be said that some people feel a need for religion. They will create a religious like pattern to anything that is the current trend. It's the way our brains are.
But that is not the same as saying people need religion, in general.

Maybe I said that wrong, society needs religion. First well my first point should be adequately explained here , second if a majority of humans need religion then society as a whole needs religion. After all as Dywyddyr said

Atheist are in the minority

Originally Posted by jakesyl

Maybe I said that wrong, society needs religion.

Unsupported claim.

First well my first point should be adequately explained here

It isn't.

second if a majority of humans need religion then society as a whole needs religion.

Note that word "if"?
Which means that you're working from an unsupported premise.

After all as Dywyddyr said

Atheist are in the minority

Correct.
Because most people don't think.

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

Because most people don't think.

Don't be so hard on yourself.

[QUOTE=Dywyddyr;428828]

Originally Posted by jakesyl

Maybe I said that wrong, society needs religion.

Unsupported claim.
Supported by the video

First well my first point should be adequately explained here

It isn't, It is

second if a majority of humans need religion then society as a whole needs religion.

Also explained in the video, and by the theocracies that have for almost the entire human existence

Originally Posted by jakesyl

Supported by the video

No it's not.
That video makes NO claims (let alone provides factual data to support those claims) that this is so.

It is

Again, wrong.
What it does say is that some non-religious people attempted to start non-religious rituals.

Also explained in the video

False.

and by the theocracies that have for almost the entire human existence

Explainable by other means: lack of availability of education, lack of availability of free communication, repression...

Originally Posted by jakesyl

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

I was in a Religious lecture about God and the meaning of life, as it began to drag on and get boring my eyes wondered onto a hot chick close to me who is fairly attractive and then i wondered.

The meaning of life is to have Sex.
In order for a species to continue living they have to reproduce .To do this they need to survive , to survive they evolve according to their environment.

This helps them survive, and be able to reproduce to carry on their species .

Prey mantises die when they breed. They've done their duty .Their heads get bitten off by the female after the eggs are fertilized.
He's finished reproducing and done his work .

Obviously not everything's going to die once it' shad sex .But that's an example of a reality.


Does this seem logically right? Can someone counter this argument

We reproduce but what does that do for us, absolutely nothing which is why we need religion.

I doubt it.

Originally Posted by jakesyl

We reproduce but what does that do for us, absolutely nothing which is why we need religion.

What a strange question - "what does reproduction do for us?" (Are you John Cleese by chance?). Apart from the obvious answer that it keeps the species going - there are also myriad individual benefits to having sex - the physiological effect is beneficial, it supports mutual affection between couples and also provides a means for bacteria swapping which also supports mutual affection - in short it has done loads for us (just slightly more than the Romans I would say

But I don't understand why you suppose it (or anything else for that matter) should do something for us even if it could. As far as I can see the various religions around the world hold humans as the pinnacle of creation just a bit less than god-like so why would we need anything to do anything for us? If anything we should surely be doing all we can for everything else.

Originally Posted by LuciDreaming

Originally Posted by jakesyl

We reproduce but what does that do for us, absolutely nothing which is why we need religion.

What a strange question - "what does reproduction do for us?" (Are you John Cleese by chance?). Apart from the obvious answer that it keeps the species going - there are also myriad individual benefits to having sex - the physiological effect is beneficial, it supports mutual affection between couples and also provides a means for bacteria swapping which also supports mutual affection - in short it has done loads for us (just slightly more than the Romans I would say

But I don't understand why you suppose it (or anything else for that matter) should do something for us even if it could. As far as I can see the various religions around the world hold humans as the pinnacle of creation just a bit less than god-like so why would we need anything to do anything for us? If anything we should surely be doing all we can for everything else.

I understand what Jake is saying. Reproduction is not a purpose for one's life. Very few people have as their life's objective to have as many offspring as possible. Reproduction is not a purpose of evolution, either. It is just a result of the fact that organisms which have certain instincts and drives, tend to reproduce. And those organisms are the ones that survived. This is not a purpose.

The purpose of life is to insure that others generations that follow ours has the same things in life to see, behold , enjoy, understand and learn from as we have. Taking away anything that we have around us today lessens the coming generations to have the bounty as we have today. We are caretakers of this planet and by learning that balance of human and nature will always be paramount in our survival of a species.

May it be that there is no purpose to life at all? I have a pupose when I make coffe in the morning.... a purpose to building a brick wall. I am thinking the question is: How do I find a purpose for my life? Which philosophy or path makes sense to me... or shall I blaze a fresh one?

Originally Posted by Harold14370

I understand what Jake is saying. Reproduction is not a purpose for one's life. Very few people have as their life's objective to have as many offspring as possible. Reproduction is not a purpose of evolution, either. It is just a result of the fact that organisms which have certain instincts and drives, tend to reproduce. And those organisms are the ones that survived. This is not a purpose.

But again why does anything have to have a purpose? Stuff happens - not especially satisfactory I know but that's really all there is to it. Evolution doesn't have a purpose at all, it just is. That people have a purpose for religion doesn't confer any more special status on it than going down the pub for the purpose of having a drink. Indeed you could add anything at all to the end of that sentence....that's why we need drugs, the RSPCA etc etc.

And I would kind of disagree with your statement about reproduction too - I know many people who have stated all they have ever wanted is children - it is quite a natural instinct after all. But I wouldn't say its their life's work to have as many as possible although those people are not as rare as you may think.

Originally Posted by LuciDreaming

But again why does anything have to have a purpose?

If you are happy not to have a purpose, so be it. The question comes up often enough. It seems many people want to think they have some purpose. For some reason, they seem to think science will show them a purpose.

I enjoy music, the arts, swimming, photography, traveling, eating, reading and on and on. So although I may not have a purpose I do enjoy many things that I am surrounded by and enjoy them as much as possible. As I have already stated that , to me, I am a caretaker for this planet and try to stay aware of doing the right things to insure I'm not upsetting the balance of nature as best I can while I'm here. This will insure that many generations from now those who are here will see and do what I have been able to do.

I don't think we need to have a purpose to find meaning to our lives. I happen to think we are unbelievably privileged to be able to experience this world and universe the way we do and if I go with any regrets it will be at not being able to experience it from a different viewpoint (I have always spent a lot of time wondering what its like to be something else). I think its a shame to spend this life on earth being in awe of something that doesn't exist when there are so many things around us that are jaw-droppingly awesome.

Life does have a purpose. Generally speaking, life is a process or a cycle like energy conversion. We know to little about the universe and are currently unable to place life among the chain of events in the known physics.

Saying that life does not have a purpose is the same as saying that the expansion of the universe does not have a purpose.
I find it ignorant or pessimistic to assume that life is just some meaningless byproduct when everything we know of basically serves as essence or foundation for something else.

Originally Posted by bulle

Life does have a purpose.

Assumption.

Generally speaking, life is a process or a cycle like energy conversion.

That's NOT a purpose.

Saying that life does not have a purpose is the same as saying that the expansion of the universe does not have a purpose.

So what "purpose" does the expansion serve?

I find it ignorant or pessimistic to assume that life is just some meaningless byproduct when everything we know of basically serves as essence or foundation for something else.

Perhaps you could try thinking before posting next.
Please.

Originally Posted by bulle

We know to little about the universe and are currently unable to place life among the chain of events in the known physics.

We are quite capable. You say we aren't only to support your belief.

Originally Posted by bulle

Saying that life does not have a purpose is the same as saying that the expansion of the universe does not have a purpose.

Well, that works out. One can say it's unlikely there is a "purpose" to anything.

Originally Posted by bulle

I find it ignorant or pessimistic to assume that life is just some meaningless byproduct when everything we know of basically serves as essence or foundation for something else.

What are you talking about, man? That statement does not follow. It's nonsense.

My english is not ideal and i seem to have confused the words purpose and function.

Looking up the definition of it as i write i am starting to think that the word is hardly useful in science. Purpose, does anything at all really have it?

Unlike most forums, threads like these are kept open here even though with incoherent inquiry. Is it because you care for people who lack wisdom and intend to challange their logic for the purpose of them possibly learning something?

In other words life doesn't have a purpose.
Thank you.

I believe,
A person gives meaning to his life when he discovers (not invent) the ultimate purpose of his life or at least attempts to discover the ultimate purpose to his life through his own efforts!

Originally Posted by Faithfulbeliever

I believe,
A person gives meaning to his life when he discovers (not invent) the ultimate purpose of his life or at least attempts to discover the ultimate purpose to his life through his own efforts!

Well, that is, as you said, a mere belief.

Originally Posted by Faithfulbeliever

I believe,
A person gives meaning to his life when he discovers (not invent) the ultimate purpose of his life or at least attempts to discover the ultimate purpose to his life through his own efforts!

In other words you're saying that there IS a purpose to life - and that all one has to do is discover it.
Evidence please.

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

Originally Posted by Faithfulbeliever

I believe,A person gives meaning to his life when he discovers (not invent) the ultimate purpose of his life or at least attempts to discover the ultimate purpose to his life through his own efforts!

In other words you're saying that there IS a purpose to life - and that all one has to do is discover it.Evidence please.

How can a person provide an evidence for something he has only experienced? Hence I chose to use term 'believe'. You can simply take it as my take on this matter.

You are lying if you're claiming you've experienced Discovering a set and deeper purpose in your life.

You only BELIEVE that you have a set deeper purpose. You cannot provide evidence for it and you know you cannot provide evidence for it because it is an unfounded and unsupported belief.

Originally Posted by Anonymouse

I was in a Religious lecture about God and the meaning of life, as it began to drag on and get boring my eyes wondered onto a hot chick close to me who is fairly attractive and then i wondered.

The meaning of life is to have Sex.
In order for a species to continue living they have to reproduce .To do this they need to survive , to survive they evolve according to their environment.

This helps them survive, and be able to reproduce to carry on their species .

Prey mantises die when they breed. They've done their duty .Their heads get bitten off by the female after the eggs are fertilized.
He's finished reproducing and done his work .

Obviously not everything's going to die once it' shad sex .But that's an example of a reality.


Does this seem logically right? Can someone counter this argument

The purpose of life is reproduction.

Humans (as opposed to preying mantises) require an extended period of care to survive from birth to adulthood. Thus our evolutionary work isn't done until we've not only mated, but also raised our children into adulthood.

So we reach sexual maturity in our teens, mate, raise our own children to sexual maturity, and then........our bodies begin wearing out and our health slowly deteriorates until we die.

Meaning, now that's something else. That's where religion or philosophy comes into play.

Originally Posted by Neverfly

You are lying if you're claiming you've experienced Discovering a set and deeper purpose in your life.You only BELIEVE that you have a set deeper purpose. You cannot provide evidence for it and you know you cannot provide evidence for it because it is an unfounded and unsupported belief.

You accuse me of lying. Do you just think i was lying? Or know so? Or believe so? Or suspect so? Or is it because of some past experience with someone? Or is it your inteligence tells you so? Or is it something else?Btw please do not ignore the part i underscored in my first post because that's the first step. If you choose to ignore that then ignore the. whole post.

I think that you are unaware that you lie to yourself on a constant basis where your beliefs are concerned.


Your underlined bit doesn't make the difference that you think it does. You said, "Discover the purpose" not, "Invent the purpose of ones own imaginings." In fact, you were very clear about that.

Originally Posted by Neverfly

I think that you are unaware that you lie to yourself on a constant basis where your beliefs are concerned.Your underlined bit doesn't make the difference that you think it does. You said, "Discover the purpose" not, "Invent the purpose of ones own imaginings." In fact, you were very clear about that.

So you don't believe it takes one's own effort to discover something or attempt to discover something? Would that not be considered as spoon feeding if there was no effort?

Originally Posted by Faithfulbeliever

So you don't believe it takes one's own effort to discover something or attempt to discover something? Would that not be considered as spoon feeding if there was no effort?

That is not what I said and you know it.

I do not believe there is a set deeper purpose to be discovered. You have already agreed that you can provide no evidence to support your beliefs.

Originally Posted by Neverfly

Originally Posted by Faithfulbeliever

So you don't believe it takes one's own effort to discover something or attempt to discover something? Would that not be considered as spoon feeding if there was no effort?

That is not what I said and you know it.I do not believe there is a set deeper purpose to be discovered. You have already agreed that you can provide no evidence to support your beliefs.

Yes, I was pretty clear about it and gave the actual reason for being unable to provide the evidence. Plus ability to provide evidence would only be unjust for it would take away half the privilege of discovering the ultimate purpose through one's own effort!

Originally Posted by Faithfulbeliever

and gave the actual reason for being unable to provide the evidence.

No, you gave an actual excuse.

Originally Posted by Faithfulbeliever

Plus ability to provide evidence would only be unjust for it would take away half the privilege of discovering the ultimate purpose through one's own effort!

Nonsense. Einstein provided evidence for Relativity and I'm totally ok with losing out the privilege of discovering how it works all on my own.

All the life changing discoveries I have ever made myself sucked big hairy rat ..... toys. So I am totally cool with someone else doing the discovering once in a while.

Originally Posted by seagypsy

All the life changing discoveries I have ever made myself sucked big hairy rat ..... toys. So I am totally cool with someone else doing the discovering once in a while.

The part in bold- typo? Did you mean to say BALLS?

Just wondering...

Originally Posted by Neverfly

Originally Posted by Faithfulbeliever

and gave the actual reason for being unable to provide the evidence.

No, you gave an actual excuse.

Originally Posted by Faithfulbeliever

Plus ability to provide evidence would only be unjust for it would take away half the privilege of discovering the ultimate purpose through one's own effort!

Nonsense. Einstein provided evidence for Relativity and I'm totally ok with losing out the privilege of discovering how it works all on my own.

Well, Einstein did not provide us the purpose of our life. PURPOSE of one's own life is not to be compared with so and so. I think humanity was privilaged to have such a personality as Einstein but in it has its own place.

Originally Posted by Neverfly

Originally Posted by seagypsy

All the life changing discoveries I have ever made myself sucked big hairy rat ..... toys. So I am totally cool with someone else doing the discovering once in a while.

The part in bold- typo? Did you mean to say BALLS?

Just wondering...

yeah..... was trying to be sensitive to the anti-testisisms of some believers.

Toys?

Sooo... You think big hairy rat balls are... Fun to play with?

rats seem to think so.

Originally Posted by Dywyddyr

In other words life doesn't have a purpose.

Thats an assumption too though, right? I mean it sure seems so in the vicinity of whats known, but we cant even say HOW much we know in comparison to the unknown.

The meaning of life is to follow the path of the universe and create ever so more complex knowledge as it's universal laws demands. I have got more in my theory that's now in the trash bin of this site. I should have started it right hare... Remember how the universe from the beginning of creation crated more complex atoms and molecules, and how life always evolved to more complex more knowledgeable beings, and how we humans evolved to create ever so more complex systems of information. It is universal trend and it is the purpose of meaning. To keep creating ever so more complex knowledge in accordance to what universe demands.

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