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    What color is windy? What temperature is love? Every thought, concept, and idea is like an atom. It is made of smaller components, more basic and fundamental in nature. Different kinds of atoms share similar comprising units. Thoughts and ideas are the same. What feeling do you get when you think of life? What feeling do you get when you think of the color green or blue? What feeling do you get when you look at the stars? Why do we associate red and violence with each other?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch View Post
    Why do we associate red and violence with each other?
    Blood.


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    Not sure why this is in Trash. It raises some interesting questions.

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    Well. The discarding of this thread irks me quite a bit.
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    Well, if someone thinks this is worthwhile, I'll move it back to philosophy. I can't see the value of it myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Well, if someone thinks this is worthwhile, I'll move it back to philosophy. I can't see the value of it myself.
    This is somewhat disquieting, to know that the relevance or value of any post is weighed by a subjective arbiter. To each their own, I suppose
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    The sound of bravery is a scream of terror.
    Its the way nature is!
    If you dont like it, go somewhere else....
    To another universe, where the rules are simpler
    Philosophically more pleasing, more psychologically easy
    Prof Richard Feynman (1979) .....

    Das ist nicht nur nicht richtig, es ist nicht einmal falsch!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch View Post
    What feeling do you get when you think of the color green or blue?
    I was a passenger in a car today travelling along a country road near Chester. The roadside was teeming with lush green foliage and I felt happy as I haven't seen so much green/life at once for some time.
    Depression is the uncertainty of the unknown, I know one day I'll die so I'm happy.
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    I don't know about the remarks regarding atoms, but the basic questions of what moods are triggered by particular imagery are concepts presented in art appreciation. I don't know if philosophy was the right place. Maybe art and culture. Different colors and scents trigger emotional responses and they vary from one person to the next depending on the experiences one has had in life.

    But there do tend to be particular themes throughout culture. Often blues and greens are representative of peace and tranquility in art, while reds represent power and violence. Yellow is sometimes a sign of anxiety and purple creativity.

    Interior decorators that are really good at what they do, study the cultural norms in regards to emotional responses to particular colors. This is often why you will see that schools are painted in a seafoam green and gyms will be painted with very intense colors that tend to trigger and increase in heart rate. You rarely see kitchens or eating environments painted yellow because yellow often brings anxiety and indigestion. Deep dark reds and browns are passionate sensual colors. You will see these colors in intimate dining places because it can encourage intimate dialogue and cause the person to simply enjoy their meal more.

    I may have the colors mixed up because I read out it many many years ago. I will look and see if I can find any up to date references to it in regards to interior design. But I do remember through my many years of art instruction that these were known facets to why artists would choose the colors they did, though the meanings of colors have evolved some over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Nope, the OP is a string of string of questions that are nonsensical (except the last one that was answered by SF). Unless the OP can tell us why thoughts and ideas are like atoms (and judging by his questions in other threads I'm not convinced he understands much about atoms) this thread is where it belongs...
    The questions are not nonsensical—they are referring to an abstract idea that is rather closely related to synthesia and ideasthesia. Those questions were meant to get a general idea into the reader's head. I could add "DISCUSS" at the end if it made you feel better. I used the thoughts and ideas are like atoms analogy to further try to explain myself, and I don't see where I failed to explain my analogy.

    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    I don't know about the remarks regarding atoms, but the basic questions of what moods are triggered by particular imagery are concepts presented in art appreciation. I don't know if philosophy was the right place. Maybe art and culture. Different colors and scents trigger emotional responses and they vary from one person to the next depending on the experiences one has had in life.

    But there do tend to be particular themes throughout culture. Often blues and greens are representative of peace and tranquility in art, while reds represent power and violence. Yellow is sometimes a sign of anxiety and purple creativity.

    Interior decorators that are really good at what they do, study the cultural norms in regards to emotional responses to particular colors. This is often why you will see that schools are painted in a seafoam green and gyms will be painted with very intense colors that tend to trigger and increase in heart rate. You rarely see kitchens or eating environments painted yellow because yellow often brings anxiety and indigestion. Deep dark reds and browns are passionate sensual colors. You will see these colors in intimate dining places because it can encourage intimate dialogue and cause the person to simply enjoy their meal more.

    I may have the colors mixed up because I read out it many many years ago. I will look and see if I can find any up to date references to it in regards to interior design. But I do remember through my many years of art instruction that these were known facets to why artists would choose the colors they did, though the meanings of colors have evolved some over time.
    Yes, I agree, art and culture would probably have been better for this. The concept struck me, at the time of posting, more of a philosophical musing than a culture work. Color psychology, I believe it is called, appears to be what you are remembering. The associations you listed sound right to me, but I, as well, could easily be wrong.
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    Bravery makes me automatically picture the movie "Braveheart" and begin running through my brain the long line of notable quotations used throughout the movie.
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    So far this is all I have been able to find on color psychology that wasn't just some blog.

    Using Color Psychology to Create an Emotionally Healthy Home

    I'd rather find some official studies though. I can't tell from this if it is just loose correlations or if more intricate study was done to determine if the color effect was universal or culture dependent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370 View Post
    Well, if someone thinks this is worthwhile, I'll move it back to philosophy. I can't see the value of it myself.
    I agree that the move was precocious.
    The significance in the question is one of culture and evolutionary influences on our perceptions. Why we associate things as we do.

    A common example is "Pareidolia." Understanding pareidolia is very important to understanding why bunkum arguments like ghosts, UFO's, visiting aliens, bigfoot, littlefoot, mediumfoot, psychic ability and emoticons all work within the brain as perceived concepts even if they have no basis in reality. It ties in closely with pattern recognition in order to enable survival, but it doesn't always enable critical thinking.
    My brain is not in full "on" mode right now, so read the above as patiently as possible...
    This threads topic is an interesting one because it delves into the above even more deeply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    So far this is all I have been able to find on color psychology that wasn't just some blog.

    Using Color Psychology to Create an Emotionally Healthy Home

    I'd rather find some official studies though. I can't tell from this if it is just loose correlations or if more intricate study was done to determine if the color effect was universal or culture dependent.
    I haven't managed to find actual studies when I've searched for this kind of thing. I do not think that color psychology is universal, rather it is more culture dependent—probably aided by the fact that different languages have different color spectrums than English. For example, red is good luck in China, and probably isn't associated with hatred or violence as much as it often is here (though its also associated with love and power and strength).
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    What sound does bravery make?

    Usually a body hits the ground with a dull thud.
    All that belongs to human understanding, in this deep ignorance and obscurity, is to be skeptical, or at least cautious; and not to admit of any hypothesis, whatsoever; much less, of any which is supported by no appearance of probability...Hume
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    So far this is all I have been able to find on color psychology that wasn't just some blog.

    Using Color Psychology to Create an Emotionally Healthy Home

    I'd rather find some official studies though. I can't tell from this if it is just loose correlations or if more intricate study was done to determine if the color effect was universal or culture dependent.


    I haven't managed to find actual studies when I've searched for this kind of thing. I do not think that color psychology is universal, rather it is more culture dependent—probably aided by the fact that different languages have different color spectrums than English. For example, red is good luck in China, and probably isn't associated with hatred or violence as much as it often is here (though its also associated with love and power and strength).
    It may not be that it is universally associated with specific emotions rather than intensity of emotions. Red tends to be the color of passion. And to have violence or aggression there has to be passion. I did find some books relating to color and psychology. The abstracts suggested that it was more than just the color itself. But also hue saturation and vibrance.

    Love and hate both feed off of passion. Apathy, the lack of passion is often associated with pale grey. Having found articles and studies (through google scholar) that I can access if I choose to pay a monthly subscription to I am sure that with some diligence it will be possible to find some official research on the subject that doesn't nickle and dime us for the information.
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    the old phrase, "I'm seeing red"

    But, from studies in psychology, red is the color of love. People look healthier and sexier in red light. Ergo "red light district" has been a common at least since the time of Rome.

    And, staring into a campfire has a calmative meditative effect on most people most of the time.

    Indeed, emotions are strongly correlated with the senses, and often shared across the species.
    When i design color schemes:
    I like my bathrooms in blues and greens, my bedroom in rose to lavender walls, with blue ceilings with white clowds painted in, and lots of house plants, my reading and dining and fireplace rooms in rich dark woods, and the living/family rooms light and airy in tones of brown to beige.
    The color schemes are based on assumed emotional response to colors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    I like my bathrooms in blues and greens, my bedroom in rose to lavender walls, with blue ceilings with white clowds painted in, and lots of house plants, my reading and dining and fireplace rooms in rich dark woods, and the living/family rooms light and airy in tones of brown to beige.
    My bathrooms are yellow and brown. The bedroom is black and white. The television room is in techni-color.
    The kitchen is green, red and brown. The sunroom is bright yellow and the office is in TPS white.
    The washroom doesn't have any color at all. It's colorless, odorless and tasteless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    I like my bathrooms in blues and greens, my bedroom in rose to lavender walls, with blue ceilings with white clowds painted in, and lots of house plants, my reading and dining and fireplace rooms in rich dark woods, and the living/family rooms light and airy in tones of brown to beige.
    My bathrooms are yellow and brown. The bedroom is black and white. The television room is in techni-color.
    The kitchen is green, red and brown. The sunroom is bright yellow and the office is in TPS white.
    The washroom doesn't have any color at all. It's colorless, odorless and tasteless.
    Apparently he has a happy place that he goes to when I am not awake. Because that is NOT the color scheme of any home I live in. And last time I checked, we cohabitated.
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    The sound of love sorrow is silence,
    An inner, tormented violence.

    A sea of emotions crushed on stone,
    aching through both soul and bone.

    And when you open your mouth to scream,
    you face the choice to destroy or redeem.

    If sound is born at the end of this storm,
    freedom and future is yet again born.

    But if not a single sound is made,
    you are undone, twisted you will fade.

    A broken shell beyond repair,
    Drowned in a maelstrom of despair.

    But bravery? The sound of bravery if Mel Gibson shouting freedom. Freedom! - Braveheart (9/9) Movie CLIP (1995) HD - YouTube
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    I like my bathrooms in blues and greens, my bedroom in rose to lavender walls, with blue ceilings with white clowds painted in, and lots of house plants, my reading and dining and fireplace rooms in rich dark woods, and the living/family rooms light and airy in tones of brown to beige.
    My bathrooms are yellow and brown. The bedroom is black and white. The television room is in techni-color.
    The kitchen is green, red and brown. The sunroom is bright yellow and the office is in TPS white.
    The washroom doesn't have any color at all. It's colorless, odorless and tasteless.
    Apparently he has a happy place that he goes to when I am not awake. Because that is NOT the color scheme of any home I live in. And last time I checked, we cohabitated.
    Which, of course, begs the question of neverfly:
    Are you seeing a shrink?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    Which, of course, begs the question of neverfly:
    Are you seeing a shrink?
    No; I absolutely refuse to have my head shrunk.
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    pity

    ok
    how about an aesthetics appreciation course that focuses on color schemes?
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    Fine. I will re-paint the bathroom WHITE. Happy, now?
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    NO

    too damned institutional
    may I suggest a pale green/ or blue-green room with blue/green lighting
    seems to be the best compliment to the water in the tub or shower
    (keep the stool, tub, and sink white) dark blue tiles
    like bathing in a warm mountain stream surrounded by the verdant forest.
    If you've the room and ambient light, a good shade loving houseplant or 2 makes it just about perfect.
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    *read slowly and with a voice that of British narration in a BBC nature documentary*
    The sound of bravery is a dehydrated stool, finally; though temperamentaly, escaping the dry constipated refuge of a strained rectum and then.. plopping into the moist cold body of water whom allows the dry stool to instill bravery. The stool is happy. It's thinks to itself, "this moment is so beautiful".
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    Many times the sound of bravery comes from the mothers and fathers crying from those sons and daughters they lost when they went into battle or were killed just trying to help others anytime.
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    I frequently think of bravery sounding like a brass fanfare, but I like cosmictraveler's statement better.
    Incidentally, I kept wondering to myself if I wanted to illustrate the word and concept windy, how would I do it? What color(s) would I use? Thus, I ask, what color is windy? Greyish blue?
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    I think greyish blue would be fitting unless you are thinking about hot desert winds. In which case I'd think more of the clay reddish orange or beige.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch View Post
    Incidentally, I kept wondering to myself if I wanted to illustrate the word and concept windy, how would I do it? What color(s) would I use? Thus, I ask, what color is windy? Greyish blue?
    The color of the wind changes with the season and the direction of the prevailing wind for that time of year. How we feel at the time also changes how we perceive the wind.



    Inspiring song about a blind child talking with his dad about the colour of the wind and relating it to his life.

    WHAT COLOUR IS THE WIND
    written and sung by Charlie Landsborough

    What colour is the wind, Daddy
    Is it yellow, red or blue
    When he's playing with my hair, Daddy
    Does he do the same to you
    When he's dying does his colour fade
    Is a gentle breeze a lighter shade
    Just like his friend the sea
    The wind feels blue to me
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    When the blackbird starts to sing, Daddy
    Do the flowers hear him, too
    When he's pouring out his heart, Daddy
    Tell me, what do roses do
    Do they cast their scent upon the air
    And is fragrance just a rose in prayer
    Giving thanks to God above
    For the blackbird's song of love
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    CHORUS:
    Blow, wind, blow
    Wild and free
    My Daddy says
    You're a lot like me

    I know each colour
    Its shape and size
    I've seen them all
    With my Daddy's eyes
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    I know that grass is green, Daddy
    I've touched it with my toes
    And snow is purest white, Daddy
    I've felt it with my nose
    But my favorite colour has to be
    The colour of your love for me
    And Daddy, I've been told
    That love is always gold
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    REPEAT CHORUS:
    My Daddy says
    You're a lot like me
    What colour is the wind
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    What color is windy?
    Depends upon the mood of the wind....

    Donovan - Catch the wind - YouTube
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    I think bravery is transparent and it glows
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    What sound does bravery make?
    The sound of one hand clapping.
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    I don't think bravery makes a sound. I think it produces a movement.
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    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldritch View Post
    What color is windy? What temperature is love?
    Ask a synesthetic.
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    dunno 'bout bravery, I was a remf, but I did warn an officer that if he sent me into combat, as I ran screaming back to his bunker, the glowing neon yellow stripe down my back would guide the enemy's artillery right to him.

    Shortly thereafter, I began to get the distinct impression that he lacked a sense of humor.
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    I have lived a while. I have had occasion to be brave, and to survive it. People do brave things only because there is no choice. You know you have been brave because you just did what had to be done and thought it very possible that you were going to die doing it. What sound did bravery make? In mycase it was the sound of my own voice speaking very clearly and calmly because it was essential that the child not be frightened or panic and sit very still.
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