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    the Origin of Society
    from career freedom to market economy

    This essay does not discuss the conditions of how to run a market smoothly, but figure out that normal economy can not run or develop without career freedom.

    the conditions of career ability and the kinds of society

    Why does human have to live in a way of society? Why doesn’t human live in a way like a tiger in forest? Cause of civilization? Cause of the wisdom of human? “For man is by nature a political animal” ?
    The essay of how to rebuild a mind gave me some clues to understand the origin of society.

    For the purpose of psychological research, I suppose that all of minds have the same basic model but at the different states of model, though they live in the same environment. Then I derive from the assumption that there are conditions of converting for minds to convert from state to state. If conditions satisfied, minds can convert from person to person.
    What are those conditions then? How to satisfy them?
    My experience and the observation of others tell me many about these questions. Please visit the website to know more about my experience. http://philosophyofhumanslife.blogsp...ding-mind.html
    I learned from my experiences and from my observations:
    1. Although different people live in the same environment, and different people can receive the same information from the environment, information can not be noticed and be accepted equally. For different people have different needs, wishes and attitudes. The needs and wishes drive people and attitudes affect people to select related facts to be known and to be accepted to satisfy the needs or wishes.
    2. People eagerly seek those related facts, and the related facts are sensitive to them. When people receive those facts, they accept them with pleasure. It means those facts are driven by needs and wishes, approved by attitudes, and will be active in mind.
    3. If facts can not enter mind, they can not work in mind. Those facts not related to ones needs or wishes can not be noticed and be accepted into mind.
    4. The needs and wishes inspire some imagination and raw ability.
    5. The combination of facts accepted by mind and the imagination and raw ability can lead to the development of skills and abilities.
    6. When people work for their own needs and wishes, they will not feel tired easily, for they are driven by their needs and wishes. If they are forced to stop their work, they will feel upset. The possibility of meeting their needs and wishes will fuel their passion, i.e. to make them work passionately. Orders in socialism nation can also drive people to work hard, but with fears, not with hope of meeting their own needs. They are two different properties of driving forces, one is to meet needs and wishes, the other is to escape from fears.
    7. The people working under their own needs and wishes can get more knowledge, skills, abilities and get more qualified skills than those work under threats. I.e., more professional. If contest, the free people will be more competitive.
    8. If people would be ordered to do any work as their masters want, they would even not become professional at all.
    9. Professional work would lead to wonderful products.
    10. But it is so difficult and ineffective to rebuild a mind.
    11. If someone wants to enjoy a life with all of products professionally produced, he/she has to live in some relationship with others to avoid rebuilding his/her own mind. Such relationship is trade or cooperation. Trade is for exchanging products. Cooperation is for one product to be produced.
    12. If career freedom and free trade are respected, the members can meet the needs of human at an advanced stage, i.e. man can live with high standard in society than living alone like a tiger, and the social freedom can lead to the real satisfying while socialism society can only meet the basic needs of life with fears, or can not meet the needs of human really. Socialism society can not reach the same advanced stage either, for it is against the mechanism of social, and against the origin of society.
    The most important points of above are that a wonderful mind can not be developed by others’ will, it can only developed by the forces in ones own mind, and that the social way can give man predominant surviving ability to those not living in a society. Society if necessary for human to survive, and personal freedom in society is necessary too.

    Applications or deductions:
    The structure of a nation
    The smallest nation with the least parts
    The bilife of human as a member of society
    The style of life as a member of nation
    The essence of ethics
    International politics and inner politics
    The relationship of members of a society
    Social behaviors
    The essential principles of running and developing a nation
    The characteristics of a predominant nation


    Nature creates all.
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    It seems to me you have not made yourself clear. Just what, for example, does this mean?

    "For the purpose of psychological research, I suppose that all of minds have the same basic model but at the different states of model, though they live in the same environment. Then I derive from the assumption that there are conditions of converting for minds to convert from state to state. If conditions satisfied, minds can convert from person to person.
    What are those conditions then?"

    You have inadvertently chosen vague terms to use in ways that make their meaning even less clear. Also, I note that none of your assertions show any indication of coming from some research or research data. There is no explanation of what society really is or its origin. It seems you have built a large superstructure on nothing.

    Philosophy is philosophy, but shouldn't it be as clear, logical and scientific as possible?

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    To develop a point that Charles makes: his appeal that your argument be as scientific as possible.
    You have stated that people living in the same environment develop in different ways. You have provided no evidence for this and you appear to have used a very loose definition of environment, allowing large variations to be present, yet to be ignored.

    You have apparently ignored prenatal environmental influences that can have major influences on personality, sexual preference and physique.
    You have apparently ignored influences of diet.
    You have apparently ignored differences of parental unbringing.
    You have apparently ignored variations in peer groups.
    You have apparently ignored variations in education, both quantitative and qualitative.

    I am concerned that this makes your opening premise flawed, and this invalidates your argument.
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    Hi Ophiolite,

    I didn't prove why people engage in different careers completely, though my main thought was that the way of society made its members to enjoy advanced life effectively or possible, and to get predominance to other species. The key characteristic of society was trade and cooperation among its members.
    Nature creates all.
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    I ask a question, is it possible for anyone to be a capable general and to be a love story writer at the same time?
    Nature creates all.
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    as to the origins of society, & man's natural relationship with each other, i like what j.j. rousseau has to say, "the first man, who after fencing off a piece of land, took it upon himself to say 'this belongs to me' & found people simple-minded enough to believe him was the true founder of civil society."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate's Mind
    I ask a question, is it possible for anyone to be a capable general and to be a love story writer at the same time?
    No, I won't loose myself because of that question. http://www.thescienceforum.com/A-ide...-die-4597t.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate's Mind
    Hi Ophiolite,

    I didn't prove why people engage in different careers completely, though my main thought was that the way of society made its members to enjoy advanced life effectively or possible, and to get predominance to other species. The key characteristic of society was trade and cooperation among its members.

    I think society is to leave together heartily...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate's Mind
    the Origin of Society
    from career freedom to market economy

    This essay does not discuss the conditions of how to run a market smoothly, but figure out that normal economy can not run or develop without career freedom.
    Let me see if I understand you:

    All people are born with [?approximately?] the same native abilities.
    However, their wants and needs [?and interests?] differ.
    People will learn better in areas in which they have a stronger need, want, or interest.

    People do work because they want to do the work, or because they need to do the work [btw, the nouns 'want' and 'need' have a different connotation that the verbs]; for example, a person will farm because they enjoy farming OR they will starve to death if they do not.

    People will be more efficient at work at that co-incides with their wants/needs/interests, primarily because they will have learned what is necessary to do the work more easily.

    In a large society, where people are free to choose what work they will do, people will be able to do the work to which they are most suited by inclination and temperament.

    So, people live in societies, rather than alone like a tiger.

    Did I get that right?

    Like most economic theories, this one has an internal logic, and may be true in the aggregate.

    So, what about all the other social animals?
    Why do they want us to believe Conspiracy Theories?
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