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  1. #1 So I have my issues and i know this is crazy but 
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    I possibly believe or have tossed around the idea that no one was born before my date of birth which was in 1988. I realize this sounds crazy but i was just wondering if anyone would think about considering the idea since cats and dogs cant live past like 20 or something. I realize you TRUST what other people say when they say they are older than 25 but that is something i dont do. Can anyone help me with this. Can anyone explain the cats and dogs age thing?


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    Well I was born loooong before 1988. 1988 was rather a good year.

    And I have outlived all but 1 of the many cats and dogs I have owned. Small animals generally have shorter lives for some reason. With some notable exceptions such as tortoises which can live well over 100 years.

    And there are trees which can be dated by counting tree rings to be over 1,000 years old.

    Note that some animals only live for a day. Are you suggesting that we should therefore consider that nobody was born before yesterday?

    There is no reason we should be limited to the same lifespan as cats or dogs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulMichael View Post
    I possibly believe or have tossed around the idea that no one was born before my date of birth which was in 1988. I realize this sounds crazy but i was just wondering if anyone would think about considering the idea since cats and dogs cant live past like 20 or something. I realize you TRUST what other people say when they say they are older than 25 but that is something i dont do. Can anyone help me with this. Can anyone explain the cats and dogs age thing?
    What problem do you have exactly? Meaning of life. What the differences between animal and people? Or you find evidences that the world exists
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulMichael View Post
    I realize you TRUST what other people say when they say they are older than 25 but that is something i dont do.
    Hmm, so your parents are currently in the Guinness Book of Records for "youngest ever parents" at 0 years old then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulMichael View Post
    I possibly believe or have tossed around the idea that no one was born before my date of birth which was in 1988. I realize this sounds crazy but i was just wondering if anyone would think about considering the idea since cats and dogs cant live past like 20 or something. I realize you TRUST what other people say when they say they are older than 25 but that is something i dont do. Can anyone help me with this. Can anyone explain the cats and dogs age thing?
    Yes, that is crazy. I also don't see what the relevance is of cats and dogs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    Yes, that is crazy. I also don't see what the relevance is of cats and dogs.
    They are relevant when it is raining. jocular
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    The idea that what a person perceives as "reality" being merely a figment of his/her imagination is at one end of the history of reality spectrum.

    Maybe the next idea along the spectrum is that reality does not exist during what people refer to as sleep — specifically your sleep.

    From there, it could be said that the next idea of reality is that history began at a person's birth. So, you could claim that, for example, time began in 1988 (the year of your birth).

    and so on

    Almost at the other end of the spectrum is science's current knowledge of the history of reality; that is, that it began with the Big Bang, estimated to have occurred about 14 billion years ago. The idea that reality had a beginning hints at reality also having an ending, and thus, is finite.

    And at this end of the spectrum is the idea that the history of reality is continuous and infinite, and thus, without beginning or end.



    If you step back and look at this spectrum, you will see that it runs from the very "subjective" (from one person's perspective) to the very objective (based on the big picture). So, you are, of course, being rather subjective if you think that the history of reality began with your birth.

    Do not think that your idea is foolish
    . This idea has been kicked around by some big thinkers (that is, metaphysicists), although obviously far less than other ideas. The big thinkers have concluded that reality does not and cannot conform to this very subjective view perhaps because each of us would give reality our own "begin date". I think this idea involves what's called "metaphysics".

    Here are some topics (descriptions courtesy of Wikipedia) that you would probably enjoy researching —

    • Metaphysics. A division of philosophy that is concerned with the fundamental nature of reality and being and that includes ontology, cosmology, and often epistemology
    • Ontology. The philosophical study of the nature of being, existence, or reality, as well as the basic categories of being and their relations. Traditionally listed as a part of the major branch of philosophy known as metaphysics, ontology deals with questions concerning what entities exist or can be said to exist, and how such entities can be grouped, related within a hierarchy, and subdivided according to similarities and differences.
    • Cosmology. The study of the origins and eventual fate of the universe. Physical cosmology is the scholarly and scientific study of the origin, evolution, structure, dynamics, and ultimate fate of the universe, as well as the natural laws that keep it in order. Religious cosmology (or mythological cosmology) is a body of beliefs based on the historical, mythological, religious, and esoteric literature and traditions of creation and eschatology.
    • Epistemology. The branch of philosophy concerned with the nature and scope of knowledge. It questions what knowledge is, how it is acquired, and the possible extent a given subject or entity can be known. Much of the debate in this field has focused on analyzing the nature of knowledge and how it relates to connected notions such as truth, belief, and justification.
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    This cat has been around for nearly 50 years....had two real domestic cats that lived past 20 so far.

    For me, 1988... Young husband....Army mechanic guardsmen...meteorologist and Penn State grad student...avid fly fishermen. Good times. Never doubted existence before '63, my birth year and never let philosophy's, often senseless ruminations, confuse me about that fact.
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    I created all of you from my rich imagination when I woke up this morning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    I created all of you from my rich imagination when I woke up this morning.
    Right now I know who to blame for my receding hairline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    I created all of you from my rich imagination when I woke up this morning.
    And, may I say, you did an absolutely phenomenal job of it with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    I created all of you from my rich imagination when I woke up this morning.
    And, may I say, you did an absolutely phenomenal job of it with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    I created all of you from my rich imagination when I woke up this morning.
    LOL...my mother disputes your claim based on a birth certificate and a blood test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulMichael View Post
    I possibly believe or have tossed around the idea that no one was born before my date of birth which was in 1988. I realize this sounds crazy...... I realize you TRUST what other people say when they say they are older than 25 but that is something i dont do. Can anyone help me with this?
    Yes I can help....... Always remember that when there are only two people in an elevator, both will know who farted. More than two, then only one knows for sure. The Earth is a big elevator and if there was only you and me then both of us would know who could be trusted. As you can see, only one more person besides yourself is needed for you to know. Who is the one? You are not alone.
    All that belongs to human understanding, in this deep ignorance and obscurity, is to be skeptical, or at least cautious; and not to admit of any hypothesis, whatsoever; much less, of any which is supported by no appearance of probability...Hume
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    Quote Originally Posted by scheherazade View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    I created all of you from my rich imagination when I woke up this morning.
    LOL...my mother disputes your claim based on a birth certificate and a blood test.
    I gave some of you free will. I suspected it might be a mistake.
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