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  1. #1 Existence 
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    I have just read this on one of my friends blogs and to be honest it has confused the hell out of me! Can anyone explain please?

    Existence doesn't exist because existence can't exist without the concept of existence existing.
    Since the concept of existence relies on existence existing, existence cannot exist.
    Nonexistence can't exist because it requires existence to exist, but it can't nonexist because nonexistence can't exist without existence existing (if existence existed, nonexistence would implicitly exist because the state of absence of existence would need to exist to cover a lack of existence).
    Therefore, nothing exists.

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    Forum Professor river_rat's Avatar
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    That is a metalanguage mess. The first sentence is nonsense as it refers to existence on two different levels (so is self refering).

    Looks like a weird version of the definition problem btw.

    As is often the case with technical subjects we are presented with an unfortunate choice: an explanation that is accurate but incomprehensible, or comprehensible but wrong.
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    Universal Mind John Galt's Avatar
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    Furthermore, the second sentence reaches an unjustified conclusion.

    Since the concept of existence relies on existence existing, existence cannot exist.

    The quote is a useful exercise in demonstrating the nature of language, but not of arriving at a better understanding of existence.
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