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    Would people prefer:


    1 - To be immortal, but unable to have children?

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    2- Mortal, but free to have children?


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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax View Post
    Would people prefer:


    1 - To be immortal, but unable to have children?

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    2- Mortal, but free to have children?
    Mortal; children or no- Fact is, I'm looking forward to the fact that some day, my awareness of anything at all will cease to exist.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    Would people prefer:


    1 - To be immortal, but unable to have children?

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    2- Mortal, but free to have children?
    Mortal; children or no- Fact is, I'm looking forward to the fact that some day, my awareness of anything at all will cease to exist.
    Good answer. However, I'd prefer to have a couple of children and then live a longer life, say about 300 healthy years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arKane View Post
    and then live a longer life, say about 300 healthy years.
    Hate to bust your bathtime bubbles, baby, but we couldn't put up with you for 300 years. Be decent and terminate around 80 or so like every other rational human being. 60 or so if you really fear the geriatrics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    and then live a longer life, say about 300 healthy years.
    Hate to bust your bathtime bubbles, baby, but we couldn't put up with you for 300 years. Be decent and terminate around 80 or so like every other rational human being. 60 or so if you really fear the geriatrics.
    Speak for yourself, I'm already past the 60 mark and would very much like to have a 25 year old body again. It's true what they say about getting old. It's not for sissies. I just thought of something. Could you imagine being married to the same person for over 200 years?
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    Quote Originally Posted by arKane View Post
    Speak for yourself, I'm already past the 60 mark and would very much like to have a 25 year old body again. It's true what they say about getting old. It's not for sissies.
    And you want to add 230-odd years on top of it?
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    I just thought of something. Could you imagine being married to the same person for over 200 years?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    Speak for yourself, I'm already past the 60 mark and would very much like to have a 25 year old body again. It's true what they say about getting old. It's not for sissies.
    And you want to add 230-odd years on top of it?
    If you meant to say old years, my answer is not on your life. I would want most of my 300 years to be with a good looking and feeling body.


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    I just thought of something. Could you imagine being married to the same person for over 200 years?
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    Quote Originally Posted by arKane View Post
    If you meant to say old years, my answer is not on your life. I would want most of my 300 years to be with a good looking and feeling body.
    I said odd as an odd measure since you didn't give an exact age.
    Picky, aren't you? You want age and youth at the same time. This is the problem with you old people. You folks are just never pleased...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
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    If you meant to say old years, my answer is not on your life. I would want most of my 300 years to be with a good looking and feeling body.
    I said odd as an odd measure since you didn't give an exact age.
    Picky, aren't you? You want age and youth at the same time. This is the problem with you old people. You folks are just never pleased...
    It's one of those things you have to experience before you can understand and I'm guessing you have a few years to go before that happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arKane View Post
    Could you imagine being married to the same person for over 200 years?
    Yes...marriage to a good woman is to be treasured forever...stop thinking with your gonads!
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    Quote Originally Posted by efbjr View Post
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    Could you imagine being married to the same person for over 200 years?
    Yes...marriage to a good woman is to be treasured forever...stop thinking with your gonads!
    My gonads had nothing to do with that comment. I just think if your going to live a good 300 years, your experience would be enhanced if you could have many intimate serial relationships rather than just one.
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    So, is the basic consensus that people would like to still be able to die? How about having the option to die, or the option to live as long as you want?


    So let me rephrase the question:

    Would people prefer:


    1 - To have the option to live as long as they want (in young bodies), but not the option to have children?

    or

    2- To be required to grow old and die, but yes have the option to have children?
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    Quote Originally Posted by arKane View Post
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    Would people prefer:


    1 - To be immortal, but unable to have children?

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    2- Mortal, but free to have children?
    Mortal; children or no- Fact is, I'm looking forward to the fact that some day, my awareness of anything at all will cease to exist.
    Good answer. However, I'd prefer to have a couple of children and then live a longer life, say about 300 healthy years.
    You say that now.... but just wait till you get up close to year #299. Then it will be all about having 500 good years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax View Post
    So, is the basic consensus that people would like to still be able to die? How about having the option to die, or the option to live as long as you want?


    So let me rephrase the question:

    Would people prefer:


    1 - To have the option to live as long as they want (in young bodies), but not the option to have children?

    or

    2- To be required to grow old and die, but yes have the option to have children?
    Could some people pick (1) and some pick (2), or is it an all or nothing situation?

    Or what if I wanted to live 300 years then have children and then die after they were raised to adulthood?
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    If you live for 30 years or 300 years, what difference does it make? Quality of life plays into it, for sure... A man that lived large and adventurously for 30 years would probably have appreciated those years more than someone who lived a miserable or dull boring life for 300 years.
    As long as death awaits, it really doesn't matter so much how long you live, but how well you lived. Because it's all going to end. You'll either be relieved, wanting more years or satisfied with the ones you have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    If you live for 30 years or 300 years, what difference does it make? Quality of life plays into it, for sure... A man that lived large and adventurously for 30 years would probably have appreciated those years more than someone who lived a miserable or dull boring life for 300 years.
    As long as death awaits, it really doesn't matter so much how long you live, but how well you lived. Because it's all going to end. You'll either be relieved, wanting more years or satisfied with the ones you have.
    That goes without saying, but it sounds like you might think having a quality 300 years would be difficult to achieve? Look at it this way, you should be able to save up enough money to have a very interesting long retirement. But if you got sent to prison for life, that could give a whole new meaning to a very long life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arKane View Post
    That goes without saying, but it sounds like you might think having a quality 300 years would be difficult to achieve?
    I think I've seen enough hardship in my few years to think that in 300 years, that allows plenty of time for things to get really f'ed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arKane View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kojax View Post
    So, is the basic consensus that people would like to still be able to die? How about having the option to die, or the option to live as long as you want?


    So let me rephrase the question:

    Would people prefer:


    1 - To have the option to live as long as they want (in young bodies), but not the option to have children?

    or

    2- To be required to grow old and die, but yes have the option to have children?
    Could some people pick (1) and some pick (2), or is it an all or nothing situation?

    Or what if I wanted to live 300 years then have children and then die after they were raised to adulthood?
    The main problem with this is that I think lots of people would renig on the arrangement. Their kids reach adulthood, and all of a sudden it's time to pay the piper. Maybe then they're not so keen on dying.

    I suppose it would work if each person were given the option and some all powerful entity could force them to accept the outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax View Post
    I suppose it would work if each person were given the option and some all powerful entity could force them to accept the outcome.
    I'm going to be too busy for a few weeks, ask Gorlitz if he's interested.
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    I believe a third option is the true answer. Most people prefer a reality of immense psychological anguish based on ignorance and flat out refusing to learn anything
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    Quote Originally Posted by afigment82 View Post
    I believe a third option is the true answer. Most people prefer a reality of immense psychological anguish based on ignorance and flat out refusing to learn anything
    Welcome to the forum. Could you be a little more specific on what you mean by "Most people"? There's not very many on this forum that fall into that category.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arKane View Post
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    I believe a third option is the true answer. Most people prefer a reality of immense psychological anguish based on ignorance and flat out refusing to learn anything
    Welcome to the forum. Could you be a little more specific on what you mean by "Most people"? There's not very many on this forum that fall into that category.
    most people aren't on this forum :-)..I guess I just mean the dull cow eyed masses..don't act like u don't understand :-(
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    Quote Originally Posted by afigment82 View Post
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    I believe a third option is the true answer. Most people prefer a reality of immense psychological anguish based on ignorance and flat out refusing to learn anything
    Welcome to the forum. Could you be a little more specific on what you mean by "Most people"? There's not very many on this forum that fall into that category.
    most people aren't on this forum :-)..I guess I just mean the dull cow eyed masses..don't act like u don't understand :-(
    Yeah! I understand, but "cow eyed masses" is still quite general. I was thinking maybe republicans or creationist or global warming naysayers...etc.
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    I believe a third option is the true answer. Most people prefer a reality of immense psychological anguish based on ignorance and flat out refusing to learn anything
    Welcome to the forum. Could you be a little more specific on what you mean by "Most people"? There's not very many on this forum that fall into that category.
    most people aren't on this forum :-)..I guess I just mean the dull cow eyed masses..don't act like u don't understand :-(
    Yeah! I understand, but "cow eyed masses" is still quite general. I was thinking maybe republicans or creationist or global warming naysayers...etc.
    no sense in separating fools into smaller groups of fools. Basically all people who don't try to better themselves mentally and physically. T.v. Show watching, garbage food eating, cigarette smoking, alcohol drinking human waste
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    Quote Originally Posted by afigment82 View Post
    no sense in separating fools into smaller groups of fools. Basically all people who don't try to better themselves mentally and physically. T.v. Show watching, garbage food eating, cigarette smoking, alcohol drinking human waste
    If we were able to execute them all how many bodies would we be talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by arKane View Post
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    no sense in separating fools into smaller groups of fools. Basically all people who don't try to better themselves mentally and physically. T.v. Show watching, garbage food eating, cigarette smoking, alcohol drinking human waste
    If we were able to execute them all how many bodies would we be talking about?
    definitely more than one :-)...
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    I'm guilty of some of those things. Ok... I don't drink but... I eat garbage food. I watch T.V. I'm a Fool!

    <Does the happy dance>

    Check out this jig...


    Ok... I'm good. Now come here and execute me.

    Don't be skeered. I'll play nice. No S'rsly.

    Bring it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverfly View Post
    I'm guilty of some of those things. Ok... I don't drink but... I eat garbage food. I watch T.V. I'm a Fool!Check out this jig...Ok... I'm good. Now come here and execute me. Don't be skeered. I'll play nice. No S'rsly.Bring it.
    lol.everyone please refer to this"persons" quote as a clear example of what I am talking about... :-).and please don't let your emotions get out of control. :-) I know it can be hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by afigment82 View Post
    this"persons" quote .
    Sir, how dare you. I assure you, I am not a person.
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    Would people prefer:


    1 - To be immortal, but unable to have children?

    or

    2- Mortal, but free to have children?
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    People who has no child are not able to answer this question, but after having chidren, we will choose the second choice(usually).

    Does it mean that love is more important than immortality for human being?

    Does it mean that we should be much optimist about human being situation?

    Therefore, refrencing human being nature, some loves( more specifically loving the next generation) are more important than our tendency to Imortality.
    For some cultures it could open new discussions.
    Hence, your question is so nice question and seemingly a key question.

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    For me it depends on a few things. First is it merely immortality? Does it also come with perpetual youth? Or do we continue to age beyond recognition? And do we get any superhuman powers with immortality? or do we just get to keep living within the limits of normal human strength?

    I don't think I would want immortality unless I could be of some good use to mortals. I would want to be a superhero or at least a living witness for history. Though of course I would only be able to witness my own experiences. If I were like the mythical vampires that absorb the memories and experiences of those I feed on that would be more cool. But I would limit my feedings to willing donors or rat bastards who are a detriment to mortal society.

    But if immortality was JUST immortality I wouldn't want it. Living forever to see people you care about passing away all the time would be too much torture if I had no ability to make the lives of those that surround me better somehow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seagypsy View Post
    For me it depends on a few things. First is it merely immortality? Does it also come with perpetual youth? Or do we continue to age beyond recognition?
    Definitely going with eternal youth. A perpetually worstening situation like age would probably drive me to suicide if it kept going longv enough.
    And do we get any superhuman powers with immortality? or do we just get to keep living within the limits of normal human strength?
    Everyone who chose immortality would bein the same condition with regards to that so if you got any powers it would not make you unique.
    If I were like the mythical vampires that absorb the memories and experiences of those I feed on that would be more cool. But I would limit my feedings to willing donors or rat bastards who are a detriment to mortal society.
    I guess that explains why vampires are usually evil. If you're going around absorbing the memories and experiences of rat bastards, you'd be experiencing the very things that motivatedthem to decide to become rat bastards.
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    That's why I only bite classy folk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kojax View Post
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    For me it depends on a few things. First is it merely immortality? Does it also come with perpetual youth? Or do we continue to age beyond recognition?
    Definitely going with eternal youth. A perpetually worstening situation like age would probably drive me to suicide if it kept going longv enough.
    And do we get any superhuman powers with immortality? or do we just get to keep living within the limits of normal human strength?
    Everyone who chose immortality would bein the same condition with regards to that so if you got any powers it would not make you unique.
    If I were like the mythical vampires that absorb the memories and experiences of those I feed on that would be more cool. But I would limit my feedings to willing donors or rat bastards who are a detriment to mortal society.
    I guess that explains why vampires are usually evil. If you're going around absorbing the memories and experiences of rat bastards, you'd be experiencing the very things that motivatedthem to decide to become rat bastards.
    True, but there are plenty of willing donors out there. all you have to do is watch any daytime stupid show... i mean talk show. There are plenty of goth vamp wannabe's in the world.

    And there isn't any rule that says you have to KILL your prey. You can feed just a little on many people. Imagine taking a hit off of Carl Sagan if he were still around or Stephen Hawking.
    Speaking badly about people after they are gone and jumping on the bash the band wagon must do very well for a low self-esteem.
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    Immortal. Life spawns where the conditions to support it are favorable. If life ends, it means the conditions were not favorable so it is completely logical for it to end. It is very probable that if you had the experience of life in another place, you would look down on humans saying "no wonder they are dying...nothing that weak is meant to survive.", so then where is the loss in following the natural course of things? It actually benefits you! If you are weak and you die, it actually benefits you...

    Some say that we are the first intelligent life form and so, our life is precious and should be conserved. My question to them is, if your life is precious why are you dying? Do diamonds die? Why? It is a misconception of the narrow human mind, that because we are alone in our hole that we are special. We haven't seen any other place except through the hubble telescope, who sends 16x16 pixels images of stars and planets...do you know the image is 16 pixels by 16? They have to use the jacobian matrix in order just to smoothen the edges and remove the refraction of the light! The poor idiots can't see anything past their own nose and start drawing conclusions about the nature of life!

    Many people came to me saying that they don't understand life and after I explained to them they all understood and went home happy. For example, a guy came saying "Ahh! The world is beautiful!" So I said onto him, why do you think the world is beautiful? So he sais "because I like staring at the mountains and take pictures", and so I said define the word like, he said "what I like is what pleases me", so I said define pleasure, he said "it is the response of an area in my brain to electrical stimulation". So then I told him you see friend, it is not the world that is beautiful, what IS beautiful is the reaction occuring in your brain which persuades you that it is!

    Imagine a big hairy spider...how disgusting it looks, and yet, the female spider thinks it is the most awsome fruit of creation. Is the spider beautiful? The question is illogical. What is beautiful, is the reaction occuring in the female spider persuading it that the male spider is beautiful. And of course there are guys like some dude from the beetles, who marries an ugly woman that, at first sight you would doubt weather a dog would vomit over her sexual advances, and yet, the man loves her! For him she is the most beautiful woman ever.

    Our biggest problem is perception. We judge everything through our perception. If we were a god damned plant we would just sit and not wonder about all this crap.
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