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  1. #1 Philosophical paradox, please help me understand. 
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    Platon and his gang of philosophers valued morals and ethics very highly. This is confusing to me.

    Philosophy means love of wisdom. But the good side is only one half of the coin (Type Yin - Yang). To truly know evil, you have to experience it, witness it - even perform the act. Not necessarily to embrace it, but to understand it. By limiting themselves to only one half of the coin, how can they declare themselves lovers of wisdom? Hipocrisy is what I call it.

    True wisdom isnt good OR evil. True wisdom require both! Wisdom may be a cup of water that might never be completely filled (As socrates says when he states that "A wise man knows that he knows nothing"). But to be wisest of the wise - common logic says that the hunt for wisdom has no room for morals and ethics or ANY boundaries of any form.

    The cruelest man may be the wisest of two people. And the most honest man of them, the unwisest and vice versa. But to truly reach a complete understanding and wisdom of oneself and the world, one has to "swallow everything" when it comes to knowledge.

    That is why I find it a paradox. That morals and ethics were considered "wise" by the ancient philosophers when all it achieves is blinding yourself to reaching a true complete wisdom and knowledge of the world and oneself.

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    Noone has any thoughts on this?

    It got me extremely curious because on the topic of rhetoric, our seminar lecturer went into great detail on how highly the ancient philosophers valued ethics and morals (cpposed to Gorgias).
    Im just trying to understand how someone can claim to "love wisdom" without being open to attaining a complete picture of the world. Surely the knowledge of "evil" is required just as much as the knoledge of "good" to reach a higher degree of wisdom?


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    You're a sick puppy. Why do you think it is necessary to commit evil to understand it?
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    It is not a "philosophical paradox". It seems to be just another expression of your misanthropy. Cheer up. Smile. It's not that bad.

    Philosophy means love of wisdom.
    And this is known as the etymological fallacy. Have you learnt about that yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    It is not a "philosophical paradox". It seems to be just another expression of your misanthropy. Cheer up. Smile. It's not that bad.

    Philosophy means love of wisdom.
    And this is known as the etymological fallacy. Have you learnt about that yet?
    Hey strange. Thanks for replying.

    Isnt it a paradox if a word that means "love of wisdom" by definition blinds itself to obtaining that very wisdom?

    Thats embarrassing if wrong. I cant keep playing the "Im not a native English speaker" card forever I guess.

    Ill look up etymological fallacy and check it out.
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    Sorry for making this meaningless post. Ive totally misunderstood the word wisdom in itself.

    The dictionary says: "The quality or state of being wise; knowledge of what is true or right coupled with just judgment as to action;sagacity, discernment, or insight."

    In my own head. Wisdom is obtaining absolute knowledge about the world, oneself and others from everyones perspective.

    Edit: Insight covers this more like I understood it. Consider a psychologist trying to help a violent person. He needs to understand this person to help him. And I guess like Harold says - you dont need to perform evil to understand him. So Ill admit Im wrong.
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    There is more. Wisdom is not the same as knowledge, you got that. Further, the pursuit of knowledge is a vane chase. You will never obtain perfect knowledge. There is always more to know. Wisdom on the other hand is within your grasp. You can become wise. You can become insightful.
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