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    From the perspective of individuals much smarter than I:


    "I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness." - Max Planck

    “God, to me, it seems, is a verb, not a noun, proper or improper.” - Richard Buckminister Fuller


    “God thinks within geniuses, dreams within poets, and sleeps within the rest of us” - Peter Antenburg


    "The gift of mental power comes from God, Divine Being, and if we concentrate our minds on that truth, we become in tune with this great power." - Nicola Tesla"

    A physicist is just an atom's way of looking at itself." - Neils Bohr


    "Nirvana is a state of pure blissful knowledge... It has nothing to do with the individual. The ego or its separation is an illusion." - Erwin Schrodinger


    "God is the perfect poet, Who in his person acts his own creations." - Robert Browning


    "Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust, we all dance to a mysterious tune intoned in the distance by an invisible player." - Albert Einstein


    "We need to find God, and he cannot be found in noise and restlessness. God is the friend of silence. See how nature - trees, flowers, grass- grows in silence; see the stars, the moon and the sun, how they move in silence... We need silence to be able to touch souls." - Mother Theresa


    "We do not "come into" this world; we come out of it, as leaves from a tree. As the ocean "waves," the universe "peoples." Every individual is an expression of the whole realm of nature, a unique action of the total universe. This fact is rarely, if ever, experienced by most individuals. Even those who know it to be true in theory do not sense or feel it, but continue to be aware of themselves as isolated "egos" inside bags of skin." - Alan Watts"

    If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is—infinite." - William Blake,


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    So what is your own perspection?

    Most quotes stated above i don't really understand, i mean what was browning thinking when he wrote that..

    "God is the perfect poet, Who in his person acts his own creations." - Robert Browning
    What could he have meant.. i mean.. "Who in his person acts his own creations" ...

    Does it mean that he becomes a pot as long as he creates pots?


    Growing up, i marveled at star-trek's science, and ignored the perfect society. Now, i try to ignore their science, and marvel at the society.

    Imagine, being able to create matter out of thin air, and not coming up with using drones for boarding hostile ships. Or using drones to defend your own ship. Heck, using drones to block energy attacks, counterattack or for surveillance. Unless, of course, they are nano-machines in your blood, which is a billion times more complex..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver View Post
    So what is your own perspection?

    Most quotes stated above i don't really understand, i mean what was browning thinking when he wrote that..

    "God is the perfect poet, Who in his person acts his own creations." - Robert Browning
    What could he have meant.. i mean.. "Who in his person acts his own creations" ...

    Does it mean that he becomes a pot as long as he creates pots?
    I think it means something analogous to...

    God/nature/consciousness both manifests and experiences the universe.

    I think all of those above quotes allude to something similar...My perspective is something like

    Humans are nature becoming fully aware of itself
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    I find the title of this thread and the quotes posted #1 incoherent. The nature of existence is simply it exists or it does not exist. Consciousness is another matter altogether. Water sitting in my glass exists, it doesn't have consciousness. Whether it does or does not have consciousness has no bearing on its existence.

    This reminds me of the "I think, therefore I am" where many have ascribed it as a proof of existence. Again it is incoherent, for existence doesn't require consciousness. There are many things that exist which do not have the ability of consciousness. I've always thought "I think, therefore I am" is more so a proof of self awareness.
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    People interested in this sort of thing might enjoy the series of articles currently on the New Scientist web site: Special issue: What is reality? - New Scientist
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    People interested in this sort of thing might enjoy the series of articles currently on the New Scientist web site: Special issue: What is reality? - New Scientist
    Really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    People interested in this sort of thing might enjoy the series of articles currently on the New Scientist web site: Special issue: What is reality? - New Scientist
    Really?
    I assume so. Hard for me to say as I am not in the class of people interested in this sort of thing.
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    The God references are gibberish. What is the nature of non existence anyway? If theres nothing, its even more phantasmagorical that an all powerful omnipotent entity splurts out, than a random emanation of unconscious patterns (base particles etc). And What would be a "god's" frame of reference anyway if nothing else exists? Its utterly %^&%, theres no light, no sound, no language. It doesnt even make sense unless someone it extremely ignorant about the universe. And in either case, theres no nonexistence because the potential for something is something, plus we exist, so non existence is over, no cigars, too late. The best we can get is a non existence thats just an alternate state of existence, which still is not really true non existence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by John Galt View Post
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    People interested in this sort of thing might enjoy the series of articles currently on the New Scientist web site: Special issue: What is reality? - New Scientist
    Really?
    I assume so. Hard for me to say as I am not in the class of people interested in this sort of thing.
    I have this sinking feeling that you actually missed the intended irony in responding really in a discussion of reality. Ah, well. Can't win them all.
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