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    A while back I made a piece about metaphysical physics. I hope you enjoy it, and would like to get a discussion going about the beautiful philosophy behind science.


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    IMHO.....The (forever)unknowable is the only thing that transcends our comprehending the universe.

    Since I'm an empiricist, would I be able to transcend this reality if I were devoid of any sensing ability? Is it even possible for a life form to not have sensing ability and still be able to contemplate itself, let alone a metaphysical universe? I think I might have just backed up my first statement. The metaphysical world is tantalizingly synonymous to the imagination.


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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    IMHO.....The (forever)unknowable is the only thing that transcends our comprehending the universe.

    Since I'm an empiricist, would I be able to transcend this reality if I were devoid of any sensing ability? Is it even possible for a life form to not have sensing ability and still be able to contemplate itself, let alone a metaphysical universe? I think I might have just backed up my first statement. The metaphysical world is tantalizingly synonymous to the imagination.
    You see, I tried to prevent this when I posted this originally in Physics. Metaphysical Physics isn't about opinions as normal philosophy. It is about figuring out whether original axioms made at the start of the theoretical development are relevant ones by experimentations. So your empirical world-view fits in nicely.

    As a general start science builds up for the things we can know. Science makes statements about knowledge of nature by making a certain reach of this knowledge. All theories have limitations in the accuracy of their knowledge. And only concern a certain range of natural predictions. This makes that when science makes claims within these bounds they can be considered as accurate descriptions of what can be observed. Therefore scientific knowledge also needs to be continues adjusted when our ranges of observation reach into a region where we have no descriptive theories. And often one tries to make single descriptive theories for large regions. So back to your questions;

    In short, the reality I prescribe, and is prescribed by science is a participatory one. Without sensing ability, you would first of all not have much of a life to live. And second not participate in the universe. Hence you are just the same part of reality as say, a rock. In this article or the sequel Limitations of Science it is stated that something, anything that can make a continuous signal or information source into a discrete one, is capable of participating. This means basically a lot that can do that. Whether these things are conscious or even consciously sense, I do not know, and are not of relevance for understanding the concepts expressed in the theory. They are only for ones personal concern that as a sentient being it must be special, and therefore searched for limits of this specialness by trying to find what else is special in the universe. This is why I pleaded to the moderator not to move it.

    The Metaphysical physics world is of course dependent on imagination, as all physics does. But it is not synonymous. It is exploiting the possible ends of imagination even if it might not be part of physical observation, to probe the world to see what concepts work, and which that do. Metaphysical physics is not part of your description of the 'metaphysical world'.
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    The Metaphysical physics world is of course dependent on imagination, as all physics does. But it is not synonymous. It is exploiting the possible ends of imagination even if it might not be part of physical observation, to probe the world to see what concepts work, and which that do. Metaphysical physics is not part of your description of the 'metaphysical world'.
    If Metaphysical physics is dependent upon imagination then I think it is safe to say it is also dependent upon physical physics. Thus I can't see how you can transcend physics since you need it to imagine. I can dream up concepts, abstracts or any out-of-the-box idea but in reality it's physics. Of course that's not what you're really talking about. When I see the prefix meta then I personally think only of the unknowable. It's just how I see it, I get what you're saying and I agree that there is room for some very creative thinking and if you want to call it metaphysical physics then go ahead.
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    I could hardly claim of coining the term myself. That would be wrong and taking away credit of the people that thought of it first. What I mean is that in your imagination you can think of ways to (accurately) describe nature, but that might not necessairrily be true. One can explain the same phenomena in different ways, whilst still giving the same predictions. Imagination i mean in just the creativity of mankind to think of new idea's. Whether or not they accurately describe our world.
    Meta is a greek proverb. It is the ordering of plato's books that made up fysica and meta-fysica :P
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