Thread: What is the Meaning of life and creation. And where lies its destination.?

Originally Posted by Mazhara

The thread poses a question:

What is the Meaning of life and creation. And where lies its destination.?

Discussion does not mean talking in vacum--making unsubstantited statements----serious discussion is the one supported by quotes from a book. Qur'aan is a well known book. Treat it as a book like anyother book of world--[why call its quote as preaching]--be on philosphy or science.


The quote was exactly relevant to the question posed in the thread. Restore it and let it be rebutted by some arguments or quotes from other recognized books on philosophy. Thanks.

No, sorry, that is not going to happen. We do not encourage just linking to or quoting from any kind of book, religious or otherwise, without any further discussion. That is just spam. Furthermore, everybody is already familiar with the Quran as well as other religious texts. Parroting religious texts does not constitute a discussion and is particularly unsuited to a science forum.

Let's hear your own ideas about the meaning of life.

Originally Posted by Harold14370

Originally Posted by Mazhara

The thread poses a question:

What is the Meaning of life and creation. And where lies its destination.?

Discussion does not mean talking in vacum--making unsubstantited statements----serious discussion is the one supported by quotes from a book. Qur'aan is a well known book. Treat it as a book like anyother book of world--[why call its quote as preaching]--be on philosphy or science.


The quote was exactly relevant to the question posed in the thread. Restore it and let it be rebutted by some arguments or quotes from other recognized books on philosophy. Thanks.

No, sorry, that is not going to happen. We do not encourage just linking to or quoting from any kind of book, religious or otherwise, without any further discussion. That is just spam. Furthermore, everybody is already familiar with the Quran as well as other religious texts. Parroting religious texts does not constitute a discussion and is particularly unsuited to a science forum.

Let's hear your own ideas about the meaning of life.

How could you or me term any idea as "your own idea" or "my own idea". Why we forget that we were taken out of the womb of mother in a state that we did not have knowledge of anything. Nothing is of your own. It is self deception not accepting the truth.

Originally Posted by Mazhara

How could you or me term any idea as "your own idea" or "my own idea". Why we forget that we were taken out of the womb of mother in a state that we did not have knowledge of anything. Nothing is of your own. It is self deception not accepting the truth.

That is a very excellent observation, and one which you did not need a religious text to make. We do come out of the womb without any knowledge. We have to learn from our parents and others what the purpose of life is. You learned that it is connected to Islam, somebody else learned that it is connected to Christianity, or Hinduism, or something else. We are influenced by things we read, what our friends think, and so forth. Our particular life experience, temperament, mental abilities, etc., combine to give each of us a unique perspective. This is what I mean when I refer to your own or my own ideas. Now, what do you mean by self deception, or what truth do I need to accept?

Originally Posted by Harold14370

Originally Posted by Mazhara

How could you or me term any idea as "your own idea" or "my own idea". Why we forget that we were taken out of the womb of mother in a state that we did not have knowledge of anything. Nothing is of your own. It is self deception not accepting the truth.

That is a very excellent observation, and one which you did not need a religious text to make. We do come out of the womb without any knowledge. We have to learn from our parents and others what the purpose of life is. You learned that it is connected to Islam, somebody else learned that it is connected to Christianity, or Hinduism, or something else. We are influenced by things we read, what our friends think, and so forth. Our particular life experience, temperament, mental abilities, etc., combine to give each of us a unique perspective. This is what I mean when I refer to your own or my own ideas. Now, what do you mean by self deception, or what truth do I need to accept?

Will you please note the inherent contradiction therein. How can I call what was thrust upon me-whether Islam, Christianity, Judaism, hinduism, budhism, etc etc--as my idea?

When would I become of age to develop an idea about which I could honestly say "it is my idea-my conclusion"? You please tell me the criteria and the source, first to form that idea of my own, and then to evaluate it.

If an idea is thrust upon you, and you accept it, then it is yours. If someone gives me a gift, isn't it mine, even though I did not earn it or make it?

Anyway, what does this have to do with posting verses from the Quran? Why should someone accept the Quran verses just because you are trying to thrust it upon them?

If an idea is thrust upon you, and you accept it, then it is yours. If someone gives me a gift, isn't it mine, even though I did not earn it or make it?

What a co-relation!!

Actually our majority wish not to develop their own idea. When they do not recognize their own self, does not have "Me" and 'Mine" in them, wish not to become of age to develop their own concept all discussion on the thread will end in just words----meaningless.....no conclusion.....everyone sticking to his father story-----. Thanks.

Life = Any thing which lives. All things great and small ( All Connected to Each other) My Belief.
Life = genetic information in its configuration of covalent chemical Bonds = pure physics and chemistry even quantum mechanics will have a role in its destination.
Evolution = Mutation
Mutation is where we are up to,and mutation is the future.( Adaptability to our surroundings) In simple terms, certain genetic mutations take place when a hydrogen bond is broken between two base pairs in the DNA and a new adjacent bond is made. Evolution. We make our own mutations these days Clones and so on. But this is only playing God, its not the real thing.(We are not God)
If we look for a God, then look out at the Universe, For it is Science that created us. It is the creation of science where the Answers will be found.

Originally Posted by Genesis

Evolution = Mutation
Mutation is where we are up to,and mutation is the future.( Adaptability to our surroundings) In simple terms, certain genetic mutations take place when a hydrogen bond is broken between two base pairs in the DNA and a new adjacent bond is made. Evolution. We make our own mutations these days Clones and so on.

Mutations only affect the "hardware." Of at least equal importance to human adaptability to surroundings is the software, which includes technology, science, knowledge, traditions, customs, laws, and so forth.

It is the creation of science where the Answers will be found.

Do you think that science has the answers to what values you should hold, how you should live your life, etc,? This is what most people mean when they talk about the meaning of life.

Originally Posted by Harold14370

Originally Posted by Mazhara

Originally Posted by Mazhara

Allah the Exalted-the Creator of all that exists, asks this for consideration

Preaching deleted. Please cease and desist.

Strange observation---there was a question to study and ponder and then answer----is it called preaching?

It is preaching when you simply paste quotes from the quran. This is a discussion forum. Pasting quotes is not discussion.

Yes, well said.

"like".

(if I don't know how to use that feature, may this point to that....to that "feature" of "like".....a "like" button)

Mmmm.

Is that Ok?

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A great many men belive they are thinking, when really they are rearranging thier principals.

We are not very pragmatic annimals. Time after time we prove we do not have the abilities we say we have, in government with propergander, in society with 'the gasping mother effect' reducing possible headway in science evolution due to public outrage. It all causes a type of social dysmorphia, in the short term we 'fix it as we go' however the problem effects us in later events. The running around in circles you see is something I like to compare to the famous doctor yeung for he stated that internally we are in a type of heamotosis, that would mean self fixing. Well 'society' is a type of social heamotosis as we constantly break things and then do our best to fix them but the art of pragmatism is to not make a problem in the first place.

Wise men speak when they have something to say. Fools speak beacause they need to say something.

I have come to believe that life has no meaning or purpose of any kind. Looking for them is like banging your head against a wall. It feels good when you stop.

Originally Posted by Jim Colyer

I have come to believe that life has no meaning or purpose of any kind. Looking for them is like banging your head against a wall. It feels good when you stop.

shades of Albert Camus
life is absurd, ... if you want purpose and meaning in life
create your own

Exactly how can we give a helpful answer to ‘what is the meaning of life’ without definitely knowing how to explain our less-than-ideally-behaved, seemingly-imperfect human problem? I ran across an article here which will provide really good solution to our egotistical and aggressive self.

Originally Posted by Mazhara

Originally Posted by Harold14370

Originally Posted by Mazhara

How could you or me term any idea as "your own idea" or "my own idea". Why we forget that we were taken out of the womb of mother in a state that we did not have knowledge of anything. Nothing is of your own. It is self deception not accepting the truth.

That is a very excellent observation, and one which you did not need a religious text to make. We do come out of the womb without any knowledge. We have to learn from our parents and others what the purpose of life is. You learned that it is connected to Islam, somebody else learned that it is connected to Christianity, or Hinduism, or something else. We are influenced by things we read, what our friends think, and so forth. Our particular life experience, temperament, mental abilities, etc., combine to give each of us a unique perspective. This is what I mean when I refer to your own or my own ideas. Now, what do you mean by self deception, or what truth do I need to accept?

Will you please note the inherent contradiction therein. How can I call what was thrust upon me-whether Islam, Christianity, Judaism, hinduism, budhism, etc etc--as my idea?

When would I become of age to develop an idea about which I could honestly say "it is my idea-my conclusion"? You please tell me the criteria and the source, first to form that idea of my own, and then to evaluate it.

Where knowledge brings you in conflict with religion, religion forbids you from even presenting your idea on threat of death or having your tongue cut off..

Originally Posted by Genesis

I often wonder how life is supposed to work.And what is our Goal. And how education and learning are put in place to make us better people.
So we as society can get on and move forward as a species.
But every Day, in Every year since the beginning of Mankind all we have done is destroy one another.
Every day you turn on the news. there are wars and destruction all across the planet. So I ask the question
What is the Meaning of Life.? as it cannot be to Destroy Creation. We need to look very closely, not just at everybody else, But ourselves.
to find the answers. As it seems to me, we are just going round in circles, and achieving very little. as a species.
It seems that even Religions get in the way of progress. There must be a reason, a purpose and how do we find it.
Do we need a World order to achieve this,I wonder. Anyone with any thoughts on this.?

Then one must do the oppsites of what see see that is so sad as you mention!

We MUST learn to Love each other otherwise nothing will change as I see it.

What other solution is there?

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Originally Posted by Genesis

I often wonder how life is supposed to work.And what is our Goal. And how education and learning are put in place to make us better people.
So we as society can get on and move forward as a species.
But every Day, in Every year since the beginning of Mankind all we have done is destroy one another.
Every day you turn on the news. there are wars and destruction all across the planet. So I ask the question
What is the Meaning of Life.? as it cannot be to Destroy Creation. We need to look very closely, not just at everybody else, But ourselves.
to find the answers. As it seems to me, we are just going round in circles, and achieving very little. as a species.
It seems that even Religions get in the way of progress. There must be a reason, a purpose and how do we find it.
Do we need a World order to achieve this,I wonder. Anyone with any thoughts on this.?

There is only recycling. We are made from atoms and molecules formed billions of years ago during the collapse and destruction of a distant star. The star ceased to exist, but look there are little humans running around on a little speck in the universe. When they die, they decompose into atoms and molecules which will make up new things, perhaps life.