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    The root or the tree, in a world where we don't depend on eggs or chickens?







    Interesting thing is, when we talk about roots, we seem to want to talk about evil. That thing that grows within to find life.......

    Can anyone accuse evil of denying life?

    For itself?

    In heading under?

    Should Hell take life from above?

    Maybe not.

    Maybe that's how it works.

    Maybe that is how it is written.

    Maybe Hell takes the completely detached that have no use with the sun, as a tree needs light to live.


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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver View Post
    The root or the tree, in a world where we don't depend on eggs or chickens?
    Surely you mean "seed" not root? The roots grow at the same time as the tree.

    Interesting thing is, when we talk about roots, we seem to want to talk about evil.
    Really? I have never heard of roots as being evil. Something that provides physical support and a source of nutrition doesn't sound very evil to me.

    Can anyone accuse evil of denying life?
    For itself?
    In heading under?
    Should Hell take life from above?
    Maybe not.
    Maybe that's how it works.
    Maybe that is how it is written.
    Maybe Hell takes the completely detached that have no use with the sun, as a tree needs light to live.
    I have no idea what is going on in your head


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    All-right. A bit of poetry. Let me see what I meant.....



    Ah, Seeds and roots grow at the same pace. But technically for a time they are both underground visa vie a root system.

    I've never heard the term "the root of all good". Just a vernacular thing I guess.

    But once again, a li'l poem knocking round my head it t'was.


    A failure. Scribble. I mean another beginning-end paradox. Nonsense.
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    Evil does not exist in nature. It is a construct of the human mind for a purpose I don't really understand. It is judgment.

    Then again. I guess everything is a construct of the human mind for a purpose I don't really understand. Does the purpose understand itself?
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    Within and without. Good or evil. Subject or object.

    Traditionally, if good lies within, evil lies without. If the Father is within, the body is sin. If evil exists within, the body would be seen to promote virtue. It could be the same with nature: if evil exists inside the planet, the exterior nature becomes virtuous? No logic to making that connection of course, unless by mass-belief. Only an organised belief system could achieve something like that.

    I've even seen a version of the Buddhist wheel of Law that supports the idea of a firery underworld needing to be fed in order to maintain order on the surface of the planet.
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    many seeds germinate above ground and grow at the same rate for the above and below ground sections.
    If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. -Thorin Oakenshield

    The needs of the many outweigh the need of the few - Spock of Vulcan & Sentinel Prime of Cybertron ---proof that "the needs" are in the eye of the beholder.
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    see movie "Thing" (old movie, not 2011 version)
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    why? its a iffy sci-fi aliens movie
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    The needs of the many outweigh the need of the few - Spock of Vulcan & Sentinel Prime of Cybertron ---proof that "the needs" are in the eye of the beholder.
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    sorry it is not "the thing" movie.

    I dont remember the exact name, but it is about a archabcteria type thing which contains billions of organisms inside its body, and it has ability to use their intelligence for its own benefit. it engulf every living thing and use its intelligence for evil purpose.

    it surround a team of scientists on antarctica and tells them to obey IT as if it is their GOD. what a brilliant concept. when scientists use its DNA to check its species then they find that it has been living inside earth since dinosaurs time, and has not come up.

    if you know the name of movie tell me i want to watch it again
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    Quote Originally Posted by precious View Post
    sorry it is not "the thing" movie.

    if you know the name of movie tell me i want to watch it again
    Cremola here!
    It is possible the name of the film is "Don't Look Now". This film was set in Venice and starred Sutherland and Christie.
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    have you guys solved the riddle of egg and hen. which of them came first. is this thread actually related to this nature?
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    I don't think it's related. Hens are evil, and eggs are good. I prefer little quell eggs on a stick.

    I say we take good and evil out of the question. Evil is not part of a duality. What is evil? What is a hen? A bird? Tapping, tapping, at my bedroom door... nevermore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB View Post
    I don't think it's related. Hens are evil, and eggs are good. I prefer little quell eggs on a stick.

    I say we take good and evil out of the question. Evil is not part of a duality. What is evil? What is a hen? A bird? Tapping, tapping, at my bedroom door... nevermore.
    ha ha . great
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    one life appears when one life ends. do you know this concept?
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    The egg came first, in a sense, since eggs have existed before the life forms we label as chickens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by precious View Post
    one life appears when one life ends. do you know this concept?
    No.

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    The egg came first, in a sense, since eggs have existed before the life forms we label as chickens.
    But where did the egg come from??? Wait, are we talking about labels or life forms??? Even if eggs existed before chickens, it doesn't mean we labeled them first. Though I suppose it does seem logical that humans would give a label to eggs before chickens. On the topic of labels, what came first, the chicken or the hen?
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    this world started from nothing and will end in Nothingness. so why worrying "what comes first"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by precious View Post
    one life appears when one life ends. do you know this concept?
    eg . seed dies to give life to plant.
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    Oh, yeah. Thought you meant something more official.

    Where's Quest?
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    There would be no root or tree unless there first was a place for them to grow. For God to exist He needs a place to exist in. Where did this place come from? Could this place have preceded God? If not then is God even possible? If so then how was a place created for God if He wasn't around? Keep in mind that the one thing God cannot do is create Himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos View Post
    There would be no root or tree unless there first was a place for them to grow. For God to exist He needs a place to exist in. Where did this place come from? Could this place have preceded God? If not then is God even possible? If so then how was a place created for God if He wasn't around? Keep in mind that the one thing God cannot do is create Himself.
    oH My GoD!!!! so what came first, summarise it here, and can science prove your idea?
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    this is out of box reply by Zinja!!!! but it contains philosophy, uncertainty, unnatural assumptions, total shock for a religious man (!!??)

    i am curious to know your reply, how can you think like this!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by precious View Post
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    one life appears when one life ends. do you know this concept?
    eg . seed dies to give life to plant.
    this truth of nature. i am not philosopher , what i say has a scientific base behind it
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    Quote Originally Posted by precious View Post
    eg . seed dies to give life to plant.
    A seed doesn't die; it develops into the plant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    eg . seed dies to give life to plant.
    A seed doesn't die; it develops into the plant.
    i know this. but seed disappears finally.
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    Who am I? Then bam! THE UNIVERSE! Big bang right there. God could work the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by precious View Post
    this is out of box reply by Zinja!!!! but it contains philosophy, uncertainty, unnatural assumptions, total shock for a religious man (!!??)

    i am curious to know your reply, how can you think like this!!!
    It's fun, isn't it? I started thinking this way one day sitting in church with my mother. I was 11 or 12 at the time. Minister was going on and on about God having always been. So it was logical for me to think of where He'd always been. Made sense to me that if God had always been then at minimum, so was the place He inhabited. I asked that question and a couple more to the reverend when we left that day, embarrassing my mother all to hell. No more church for me after that, my mom wouldn't dare try for a repeat performance.

    Can there be a universe without a god? Unless there's some universal law that states it can't be any other way then I think we all have a pretty good idea where God came from.

    DaBOB:
    Who am I? Then bam! THE UNIVERSE! Big bang right there. God could work the same.
    God first, universe second is what I think you're saying. Regardless, God the Omniscient should not be asking questions of any kind. I agree with the aspect of instantaneous. If I'm an omniscient god then I do not deliberate. All the information I possess requires no real decision making on my part since that implies I did not immediately know the answer.

    If all is instantaneous then is there a reason to believe God always was? Did He roam around prior to our creation trying to figure things out? I think that if I were a believer then I would have to think God is more or less a decision maker. Funny, even though He possesses everything there is to know that He would still need to think about it. Like us, God can't always have an instant answer. Coincidence?
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    Ha, didn't actually expect anyone to really try to make sense of that. I think you kind of did though. I don't usually call IT God. It's just the idea that the universe is something which is in search of understand, about itself. You could say it's alive. But it's not even necessary for time or space to exist before the search begins. Those would be tools used to create a place for the search to take place in. I guess I was saying that, in some point of view, that something in search of itself could be called God.

    All this talk of time is making me hungry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBOB View Post
    . I don't usually call IT God. It's just the idea that the universe is something which is in search of understand, about itself. You could say it's alive. But it's not even necessary for time or space to exist before the search begins. Those would be tools used to create a place for the search to take place in. I guess I was saying that, in some point of view, that something in search of itself could be called God.
    Living matter is a component of the universe. Does it make the entire universe alive? Well it certainly doesn't make it lifeless.
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    eggs have probably existed millions of years before the dinausaur-ish creature that eventually became what we call chicken. I say eggs came millions of years before chicken

    whats the first lifeform to have used eggs? (would not be surprised if it was some type of hermaphrodite invertebrate)

    I also think seeds dont die, they just change, like a human embryo doesnt die it changes into a baby, a caterpillar doesnt die it morphs into a butterfly, a transformer car doesnt die when it transforms into a robot its just a different form.
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