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    I mean, "BC - AD".

    "He" set time at "0".

    .....as we use and appreciate time.

    Isn't that a "philosophy" as opposed to a "faith"?

    Did he say, "I am your time-lord"?

    No, we worked it out somehow. We just did it.

    ......or Maybe because of the fact he didn't say anything about time, about being the Lord of Time, that we had to then set time at "0"?


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    Well, apart from the fact there isn't a zero in the Western calendar, it is just arbitrary. For example, it is year Heisei 23 in Japan right now. And different year numbers in different places. There is zero significance in what you say.


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    Ok, zeroes are "used" in the Western Calaendar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver View Post
    Ok, zeroes are "used" in the Western Calaendar.
    Really? When was year 0, or month 0, or day 0?
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    Yes, exactly. There's a disparity, isn't there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver View Post
    Yes, exactly. There's a disparity, isn't there.
    How is "yes" an answer to "when"? You go (in the western calendar) from 1BC to 1AD. No zero. I see no disparity.
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    Nice. But imagine being there though, who would you be at time zero?
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    When is time zero?

    I was there at time 1 (in another calendar).
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    Even nicer. Looking for the "1" as "time-0".

    THat's sounds very binary to me.......as a code.
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    Apparently, there is a year zero in some contexts: 0 (year) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Who knew. (Yeah, I know, you did.)
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    Billiards. (I assume this has turned into some sort of non-sequitur game?)
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    Black Jack is a game of 21 = 0

    Looking for time-0.
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    (some say its a game of speed.....I mean, imagine being asked to make your move in a game of chance?)
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    The changing of the calendar from the older style to the current was an arbitrary shift made centuries after The supposed Christ existed, and the date sequence was chosen based on what people though was the year of his death. "Christ" had nothing ot do with it and the year reckoning that existed during that period was much different then the current. Sorry, no amazingness.
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    No amazingness? That depends on where you are educated.

    I mean, humanity has chosen to adopt a "count" of time wound it seems around the concept of his birth-death-life.

    As I said, it depends on where you're educated (some schools even have a choir).
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    This doesn't seem like philosophy, more like random gibberish. Gone off the deep end again Quest?
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    Quite right, well spotted. I introduced a subject that carries with it no weight in any house of learning, then I presented the idea that having a good education can be enlightening on the path to the Lord. Damn. I hate it when that happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver View Post
    No amazingness? That depends on where you are educated.

    I mean, humanity has chosen to adopt a "count" of time wound it seems around the concept of his birth-death-life.

    As I said, it depends on where you're educated (some schools even have a choir).
    That is because the church used its power when it controlled the European politics to change the calender in 1582, well after the date "Christ" is though to have lived. As has been pointed out already A large percentage of the world does not use the Gregorian calender, and during the time when "Christ" lived the calender in use was the Julian Calender.
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    Indeed. As I said, Christ never said, "worship me, Lord of Time, change your calendars henceforth, set them at zero with my birth-death (no one seems to want to agree on that)". As I said, we worked it out somehow, as is recorded on our historical chalkboard of hits and misses. If a new definition of time comes about then, one that explains the atom in all it's detail (?), wouldn't it be nice to hold on to how we have set time "0"? You know, with a story? A philosophy? A faith?
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    Self aggrandizement and oneupmanship by a single religions leaders over everyone else
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    And I always thought Ophiolite was the Time Lord.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    Self aggrandizement and oneupmanship by a single religions leaders over everyone else
    Indeed, the idea itself of setting time seems to be cursed. I am thinking that time was set the way it was because people believed back then, unlike they do today. Why else would they all agree to it under seemingly peaceful circumstances of growth marred only by claims to titles of sovereignty?
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    Who are we talking about when you say "they all agree"? It was an arbitrary decision by a small sect of the ruling religious that decided, and there was no way for anyone to oppose it.
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    What a lucky guy he was though, huh >?

    But, like, what a gamble. Anything then he would have said regarding "time", especially so the future, could have greater weight in the use of him as a reference for time, right?
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    "One will be taken, the other will be left"..........

    (That's arbitrary all-right)

    Maybe they had no choice? Maybe they feared?
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    Feared what????
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    The alternative
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    what alternative? and why is it feared?
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    The alternative that they and their faith would be lost forever in time.
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    Also, you do realise that Jesus was probably born in around 4BC?
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    lost in time forever? Im sorry but that is very very very weak.
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    I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I'm presenting an idea, a possibility, which as a possibility is guaranteed to be absent of any formal mechanicm of proof other than a "more likely than not" result, a "well what else was there" basis?

    Why not for instance form the calendar around John the Baptist? Why not form it around the first Christian Roman Emperor? It was formed around someone, is that not right? Deliberately, no? Why? Convenience? Simple convenience on such a fundamental matter? If you say so.
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    They chose the date thy did because they wanted to, not because of a fear they would disappear if they did not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver View Post
    Why not for instance form the calendar around John the Baptist? Why not form it around the first Christian Roman Emperor? It was formed around someone, is that not right?
    Yes, they chose to start the calendar based on the (supposed) birth date of the most important figure in their religion. So what?
    They got it wrong. So what?
    They could have chosen any other year. So what?
    Others did. So what?
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    So what? What "is" time for a figure such as Christ to adorn?
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    Time is at its most basic a tracking method of the circuits of the earth around the sun. And for the at least 4th time, The Gregorian is NOT THE ONLY CALENDER!
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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver View Post
    So what? What "is" time for a figure such as Christ to adorn?
    Does that even mean anything?
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    It's a comparison. "What is time for Christ to adorn". Maybe I should have said, "what is Christ for time to adorn". That would have been more appropriate, right?

    Ok. The concept has alluded you. How about this. Do we hold as much faith in the idea of time as we do Christ (well, as certain people do)?
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    I don't hold faith in anything. Sometimes it even feels as though time has fallen away. Where are you going with all of this?
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    With this thread? Taking a pulse. Signs of life, that sort of thing.
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    yay for more non-sequitors
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    Honestly, as I have pointed out, I have no backing with this subject. I'm seeing what ideas float via argument. "Is it alive", that sort of thing. Present an idea that seems to have escaped the masses, if that's the case, why, and so on. In this case, I would think the number of Churches of Christ there are would parallel the number of different theories people have on "time", right?
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    No, not in the least......
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    Is that your "opinion", or is there some charter of authority we can both refer to on equal terms?

    Don't get me wrong, I dpon't give a damn. It's just a subject that may have been overlooked, may not, who knows.
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    Calendars are arbitrary, cultural artifacts. Modern time is not based on days or other celestial means of keeping time as primitive humans did, but on SI unit of second, not dependent on anything but property of particular type of atom. This is, too, cultural artifact, reflective of greater advanced technology culture.

    So, how much time have we Gott?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theQuestIsNotOver View Post
    It's a comparison. "What is time for Christ to adorn". Maybe I should have said, "what is Christ for time to adorn". That would have been more appropriate, right?

    Ok. The concept has alluded you. How about this. Do we hold as much faith in the idea of time as we do Christ (well, as certain people do)?
    Is it not "eluded", dotcomrade? Forgive Prince, he struggles so with your English. Thank you for most interesting thread. What is time indeed? What does "saving time" involve? Is time TRULY "money"? Commonly wage earners are paid for their time on job- if all men are created equal, certainly their time is NOT, as evidenced by wage disparities. What would gentle Jesus, Prince of Peace and son of Mary, have to say about this, and when we will know?
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    In keeping with tradition, Time would say it is eternal, as a "ring" of eternity, proposed to the Mother by the Father, as is customary, a ring that binds two together by a Priest.


    Traditionally, it has been through the centuries how people in their adulthood have spent their time closest to another.
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    you really like to make incomprehensible analogies
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    Prince finds matrimony incomprehensible anyway. All he knows for sure is that he is too old for wages he is getting, if something (time) is in short supply, ever dwindling in fact, should the inexorable law of supply and demand not drive up the price accordingly?
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    If as you suggest time is money, and if indeed time misunderstood is time lost, a people's misunderstanding of time will cost them dearly, have them in constant debt. Maybe that is a more pertinent fact?


    How does one understand time? Start with time's construction maybe.

    Time and money? Ptfff. No connection. Understanding time though is a good way to understand how society works in time.
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    But you have yet to show that you have a solid grasp of the artificial and arbitrary nature of times measurement, and the massive inaccuracies with your opening statement and reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paleoichneum View Post
    But you have yet to show that you have a solid grasp of the artificial and arbitrary nature of times measurement, and the massive inaccuracies with your opening statement and reality.

    Mmmm. I don't want a solid grasp of anything artificial or arbitrary. That's pithy. My opening statement was merely "hey'ya, wasss-up with this AD-BC.....who da responsible?" I was appealing to my critics. The train nonetheless of my dialogue is in the vein of "philosophy". It doesn't have the strength of faith, or the nuts and bolts of mathematics or science. I'm being appropriate.

    I understand a lot of people come to this forum to make a point, to prove their point, their opinion. In this instance I am uncovering a concept and opening it for debate.

    Actually, also, the beginning bit of this thread, the first post, I was being me at the same time ./\
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    To blame Christ for calendar is unreasonable, He is not responsible. His followers are another matter. Time and truth are eternal, as even atoms are not, nor the stars in which they are forged. If something is eternal it makes no sense to refer to it in terms of time. Anyway, Christ is OLD, certainly before July, and therefore not a fit subject for a thread on this forum. All participants on this this thread are admonished accordingly, and the thread condemned accordingly.
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    Nice reply. In the true spirit of shared information.


    How about we change the subject?

    Or maybe talk about how information is money, not shared, and I can't afford to talk about Christ?
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    I think the subject has been lost in time. How shall we find it?

    On another note, what is the taste of thyme?
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    If it is "note", should it not be the SOUND of thyme? Apologies for being "smug" to all...
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    What is the sound of one time clapping? Or, what would happen if you were to fall back in thyme? 好香

    Smug is fine. I imagine Quest not only deserves it but is used to it. Either way, I've been enjoying the read. Haven't really found a place to come in though. I was hoping to arrive at the Nick of Time, but lo, I have arrived out of Time.

    If information is money, and time is money, does that make information time, and space? Where in space is information? Does information take time? Am I way off topic? Maybe more to the point, the information we have ON time is relatively little. Though I imagine we have the time, or rather the space, to add more.
    Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only realize the truth. There is no spoon. Then you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself. -Spoon Boy
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    Time flies when you're having fun, don't forget that, a very overlooked fact about the effect of time on us.

    Information and money could equate to fun, or it could be absolutely laborious. But then again, sharing information and money is more fun for those without any such luxuries. Would not fun conquer all when it comes to time? Could not fun transcend information and money? What is "fun" though? Flying is fun. What about a theory of time that cracks the code of gravity? It could be fun ./\
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