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    TRUE OR FALSE?

    Those sciences which govern the morals of mankind, such as Theology and Philosophy, make everything their concern: no activity is so private or so secret as to escape their attention or their jurisdiction.

    -Michel de Montaigne-


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    They are not sciences.


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    in the eyes of an atheist theology is really the study of nothing
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    I think that a person's philosophy drives and motivates whatever they do, and in that sense is more important than the science, which is merely a tool. Perhaps that is what de Montaigne was getting at.
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    ^ Correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Prometheus View Post
    They are not sciences.
    He is using 16th, 17th, and 18th century vocabulary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeRand View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Prometheus View Post
    They are not sciences.
    He is using 16th, 17th, and 18th century vocabulary.
    Then i do not understand; the statement doesn't seem to mean anything - perhaps i'm just being stupid. Regardless, I would say philosophy, like science, is a method not a subject.
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    No, no. You're not being stupid. It is just that when Michel de Montaigne was writing, science meant all human knowledge, and there was no division between any subject based on method of acquisition. Indeed, under the influence of Aristotle, many thought knowledge of the structure and motion of the physical world could be acquired through reflection alone, rather than through experimentation. Regardless, he is talking about ethics, from either religion or philosophy, since ethics necessarily have to do with everything humans do, if only to judge whether or not to pursue any course of action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khar_macd View Post
    TRUE OR FALSE?

    Those sciences which govern the morals of mankind, such as Theology and Philosophy, make everything their concern: no activity is so private or so secret as to escape their attention or their jurisdiction.

    -Michel de Montaigne-
    I think, like others, I am a little confused on the wording. Are Theology and Philosophy people? Or, are "they" the people in the fields of Theology and Philosophy? (the former is, I suppose a rhetorical question.) If the statement is that the people in these fields of study make everything their concern I'd say no. Maybe I don't understand the field of Theology but I thought it was the study of God or religion, not everything. Though, the religions themselves may be concerned with everything. I'm not sure what the difference between philosophy and Philosophy is. I generally don't capitalize it. Maybe that doesn't matter. Philosophy is the love, search, and manipulation of any knowledge and/or wisdom and, therefor yes, everything could potentially be of concern. That, however, depends on the philosopher.

    I believe science is a branch of philosophy and at times philosophy can take a scientific approach.

    That all being said, I'm unaware of the context of the quote and it might be more true if I were aware. Maybe everything is referring to everything within a particular subject. Or Theology and Philosophy maybe referencing more specific schools of thought (I don't usually capitalize philosophy, so I wonder what the proper noun signifies).

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    science meant all human knowledge
    ??? "science" = "all human knowledge"

    So the original quote could be read: "Those all human knowledgies which govern..."

    Hmmm... don't understand that.

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    Indeed, under the influence of Aristotle, many thought knowledge of the structure and motion of the physical world could be acquired through reflection alone, rather than through experimentation.
    And some still do!

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    in the eyes of an atheist theology is really the study of nothing
    I am surprised by this statement. I think you mean, in the eyes of the ignorant theology is the study of nothing. If you are implying that by not believing in something it becomes nothing and therefor an atheist (who doesn't believe in any particular religion) studying theology would be studying nothing I would certainly disagree. One can study an idea without subscribing to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khar_macd View Post
    TRUE OR FALSE?

    Those sciences which govern the morals of mankind, such as Theology and Philosophy, make everything their concern: no activity is so private or so secret as to escape their attention or their jurisdiction.

    -Michel de Montaigne-
    Would it be fair to say concern for all things subjective?
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