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    If there is an omnipresent being who every particle in this universe is made from, who is to say reality is any more or less real than the illusions/delusions created in our mind ?


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    Unlikely.


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    Quote Originally Posted by inow
    Unlikely.
    So gravity does not exist in all particles ?
    What about spin, magnetism, centrifugal force, the suction caused by high velocity particles passing other particles.
    In mathematics base 0 can be applied to all bases.

    The oldest documents describe an omnipresent being.
    The search for the Higgs boson continues to this day.
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    Another way of putting it.
    Will we ever find the common denominator to every particle ? I mean what is the smallest anything can get ? Does small have a finite limit ? (only when dealing with whole numbers) Fracturing stuff(fractions) goes on forever .
    ‎0 is the common denominator.
    ‎1 is the universal constant. The chosen 1 is composed of all the dimensions of that scale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Time Taken
    If there is an omnipresent being who every particle in this universe is made from, who is to say reality is any more or less real than the illusions/delusions created in our mind ?
    What a talk. The first question I would ask is U are of What religion. Secondly Do u believe in Evolution
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    He believes in a god of the gaps.
    'Aint no thing like a chicken wing'
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    Max - I will inform you that I do not understand what you're talking about well enough to address the questions you've posed. It would be appreciated if you could devote some time and effort to clarifying your core idea more succinctly and precisely. Right now, your thoughts don't come across to me as being very coherent nor logically connected.
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    I agree with inow- your "is there an omnipresent being..." is pretty vague.

    I would like to think 0 is the basis of all things, that everything comes from "nothing", and that the point is the fundamental constituent of our universe, but I can't prove that mathematically or scientifically, so I don't really believe it.

    If you want to believe that the universe is essentially a sentient being then I say "whatever tickles your peach".

    And no one is to say reality is more or less real than the illusions of our minds-anything can be doubted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harvestein
    He believes in a god of the gaps.
    Not entirely but yes all the same.

    If you make rings of the same wire different radius and wire gauge they will make their own sound. They are tuned to a frequency. The lens on our eyes, the size of our eyes the the size of each of our glial cells that contain our neurotransmitters these are all tuned by their dimensions as a cymbal, acoustic guitar or drum etc.

    Sound and electromagnetism are to me the same, they are scaled versions of each other. Thermodynamics, a particle that travels at a constant speed changes direction faster in a smaller environment, Sound has its top speed (inertial friction) electromagnetic waves have smaller particles therefore hotter and less surface area less friction higher transit speed. Power increases as particle size gets smaller, ultimate in this is the black hole.
    Electrons passing a static point is current flow. The air is made of many atoms and molecules that all have electrons, when that air moves their is electron flow. A river flows its current are electrical and physical, the difference of the height of the river bed from point to point is potential difference, potential difference is voltage.

    Absolute zero is another zero that is common to all particles(a fundamental state common to everything). This results in 0Hz (no time, no oscillations to measure time with.). 0 potential difference,0 current flow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    I agree with inow- your "is there an omnipresent being..." is pretty vague.

    I would like to think 0 is the basis of all things, that everything comes from "nothing", and that the point is the fundamental constituent of our universe, but I can't prove that mathematically or scientifically, so I don't really believe it.

    If you want to believe that the universe is essentially a sentient being then I say "whatever tickles your peach".

    And no one is to say reality is more or less real than the illusions of our minds-anything can be doubted.
    It's not my want to believe in sentience throughout everything in the universe, It is some of my observations on my search of the possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by didact
    Quote Originally Posted by Max Time Taken
    If there is an omnipresent being who every particle in this universe is made from, who is to say reality is any more or less real than the illusions/delusions created in our mind ?
    What a talk. The first question I would ask is U are of What religion. Secondly Do u believe in Evolution
    I know more of christianity than other religions but I like to concentrate on the possibilities rather than all the cultural and societal codes.

    Agnostic with a consideration of what EVERYTHING amounts to.

    For your amusement.
    Scale a psychological fractal
    If we consider the energy from every synaptic spark could we have a trail of signals flying out from us (inaccurate visualisation, like biggles scarf). Considering it travels/expands at light speed our soul is a big thing. So maybe when we are cut of from our body we can roam our soul focussing on things we have previously thought (a laser point being moved over the scarf). The more we focus on something the more we enhance it, add details . So that perhaps we zoom in and become what ever we wish to for as long as we like. This is what we do with memory and imagination.

    Yes I believe in mutation successful and otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Time Taken
    If there is an omnipresent being who every particle in this universe is made from?
    Just need some clarification. Are you saying that all the particles in the universe are pieces of an omnipresent being or do the words 'made from' mean 'created by'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Quote Originally Posted by Max Time Taken
    If there is an omnipresent being who every particle in this universe is made from?
    Just need some clarification. Are you saying that all the particles in the universe are pieces of an omnipresent being or do the words 'made from' mean 'created by'?
    Composed of suit you sir ? By omnipresent I mean all of everything with nothing thrown in free.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Time Taken
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    If there is an omnipresent being who every particle in this universe is made from?
    Just need some clarification. Are you saying that all the particles in the universe are pieces of an omnipresent being or do the words 'made from' mean 'created by'?
    Composed of suit you sir ? By omnipresent I mean all of everything with nothing thrown in free.
    Sorry, but there is a language problem here but I believe we can sort this out. Something's missing. Usually a logic statement beginning with 'if' is followed by a 'then'.....so where does 'then' belong in your first line or should 'if' be 'is'.

    Tell me then if I have it right. You're asking: Is there a omnipresent being and is every particle in the universe a part of this entity? Or let me rephrase that to read: Is every particle in the universe a small fraction of an omnipresent being? In other words this being is represented by all the particles in existence which, due to their universal dispersement, means the entity is everywhere? Please help me understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Quote Originally Posted by Max Time Taken
    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Quote Originally Posted by Max Time Taken
    If there is an omnipresent being who every particle in this universe is made from?
    Just need some clarification. Are you saying that all the particles in the universe are pieces of an omnipresent being or do the words 'made from' mean 'created by'?
    Composed of suit you sir ? By omnipresent I mean all of everything with nothing thrown in free.
    Sorry, but there is a language problem here but I believe we can sort this out. Something's missing. Usually a logic statement beginning with 'if' is followed by a 'then'.....so where does 'then' belong in your first line or should 'if' be 'is'.

    If there is an omnipresent being then who is every particle in this universe is made from ?

    Tell me then if I have it right. You're asking: Is there a omnipresent being and is every particle in the universe a part of this entity? Or let me rephrase that to read: Is every particle in the universe a small fraction of an omnipresent being? In other words this being is represented by all the particles in existence which, due to their universal dispersement, means the entity is everywhere? Please help me understand.
    There must be an entirety .
    That entirety is composed of all.
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    There must be an entirety .
    That entirety is composed of all.
    You mean entity?
    Sound and electromagnetism are to me the same, they are scaled versions of each other. Thermodynamics, a particle that travels at a constant speed changes direction faster in a smaller environment, Sound has its top speed (inertial friction) electromagnetic waves have smaller particles therefore hotter and less surface area less friction higher transit speed. Power increases as particle size gets smaller, ultimate in this is the black hole.
    Electrons passing a static point is current flow. The air is made of many atoms and molecules that all have electrons, when that air moves their is electron flow. A river flows its current are electrical and physical, the difference of the height of the river bed from point to point is potential difference, potential difference is voltage.
    Sound and electromagnetism are not the same- electromagnetism is a force created by gauge bosons, whereas sound is vibrations of physical particles and is only present where there is an atmosphere.
    I think you are confusing electromagnetism with light, and even then they are not the same. Also, the word "power" is unexplained.
    I would run it past the physics people and see what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Time Taken
    There must be an entirety . That entirety is composed of all.
    So everything that is, space, time, matter, energy is in actuality the omnipresent being. Its like the cells in our body...collectively they are omnipresent human by default because the body represents their universe. Is this a good analogy to what you are alluding to?
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    [quote="15uliane"]
    There must be an entirety .
    That entirety is composed of all.
    You mean entity?
    No I meant what I said. Entirety, that which everything contributes to and are ultimately composed of. See entropy everything thing becoming the same , neutral absolute zero an example of unification in all at 0hz, no time no oscillations to reference time to. What would all this stuff look like(on its surface at least) I wonder ? Could it have an outer surface ?(My thought is no.)

    Sound and electromagnetism are to me the same, they are scaled versions of each other. Thermodynamics, a particle that travels at a constant speed changes direction faster in a smaller environment, Sound has its top speed (inertial friction) electromagnetic waves have smaller particles therefore hotter and less surface area less friction higher transit speed. Power increases as particle size gets smaller, ultimate in this is the black hole.
    Electrons passing a static point is current flow. The air is made of many atoms and molecules that all have electrons, when that air moves their is electron flow. A river flows its current are electrical and physical, the difference of the height of the river bed from point to point is potential difference, potential difference is voltage.
    Sound and electromagnetism are not the same- electromagnetism is a force created by gauge bosons, whereas sound is vibrations of physical particles and is only present where there is an atmosphere.
    I think you are confusing electromagnetism with light, and even then they are not the same. Also, the word "power" is unexplained.

    They both work in this phenomenon. Tap a stone it makes a unique sound, its composition affects the frequencies of light it reflects also.

    I would run it past the physics people and see what happens.
    Perhaps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Quote Originally Posted by Max Time Taken
    There must be an entirety . That entirety is composed of all.
    So everything that is, space, time, matter, energy is in actuality the omnipresent being. Its like the cells in our body...collectively they are omnipresent human by default because the body represents their universe. Is this a good analogy to what you are alluding to?
    Simplistic but effective . It includes what the universe is expanding into also and beyond to the ultimate limit. And where all the mass from a black hole goes and however many scales that can go through.

    The lot, totality, all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Time Taken

    I know more of Christianity than other religions but I like to concentrate on the possibilities rather than all the cultural and societal codes.
    Sorry, When I say I doubt

    Agnostic with a consideration of what EVERYTHING amounts to.

    For your amusement.
    Scale a psychological fractal
    If we consider the energy from every synaptic spark could we have a trail of signals flying out from us (inaccurate visualization, like Biggles scarf). Considering it travels/expands at light speed our soul is a big thing. So maybe when we are cut of from our body we can roam our soul focusing on things we have previously thought (a laser point being moved over the scarf). The more we focus on something the more we enhance it, add details . So that perhaps we zoom in and become what ever we wish to for as long as we like. This is what we do with memory and imagination.

    Yes I believe in mutation successful and otherwise.

    Well not every philosophy can be bought into no matter how popular they are you will agree with me if you know more of Christianity :wink:
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    Max - Just out of curiosity, do you smoke a lot of pot or still enjoy hallucinogens?
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    Quote Originally Posted by inow
    Max - Just out of curiosity, do you smoke a lot of pot or still enjoy hallucinogens?
    Greater extremes than that, I'm bi-polar type 1.

    To get a different perspective be in a different place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Time Taken
    The lot, totality, all.
    OK then, I think I see where you're going. It's a different twist on God's retreat into the incomprehensible realm, the place theists place Him whenever science starts making them nervous. Having God as the entirety means He consists of it all, including scientists and places to put him when the going gets tough.

    Am I on the right track?
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    Ok, let's say we accept your "omnipresent being", the entirety that is made of the entirety of all things . What does it have to do with your base question that:
    ...who is to say reality is any more or less real than the illusions/delusions created in our mind ?
    No one is to say reality is any more or less real than the illusions/delusions created by our minds. You can think anything that is not provable or not provable.
    http://www.thescienceforum.com/Provi...st.-30979t.php
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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    Ok, let's say we accept your "omnipresent being", the entirety that is made of the entirety of all things . What does it have to do with your base question that:
    ...who is to say reality is any more or less real than the illusions/delusions created in our mind ?
    No one is to say reality is any more or less real than the illusions/delusions created by our minds. You can think anything that is not provable or not provable.
    http://www.thescienceforum.com/Provi...st.-30979t.php
    Our reality is composed of the same substance thought are, it is a scale issue. Dependant upon a common denominator to all particles regardless of scales, Higgs boson,gravity,mass(including inertial mass) and that which is all.
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    That's a whole different matter, and a pretty interesting thought.
    And when you say "made" you mean to say that our thought is actually the same world as the "real" world? Prometheus will probably have some ancient school of thought that covered this topic.
    This would imply that our brains could acess the universe without our bodies though, and also that the universe was of our own creation, because anything we want to think we can think, which would mean anything we wanted to happen we could make happen.
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    I think MTT is saying that even thoughts or concepts are part of the entirety. No different than things you can sense or things you know are there but can't sense....something like that. IOW everything from imagination to something we are trying to prove existed for only a millisecond is the entirety, Everything has its place and every place has its thing. Some you can sense and some you can only deduce.

    If I were to agree that the entirety consists of everything sensed or not sensed then where would I go from there or is that not even worth pondering?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    I think MTT is saying that even thoughts or concepts are part of the entirety. No different than things you can sense or things you know are there but can't sense....something like that. IOW everything from imagination to something we are trying to prove existed for only a millisecond is the entirety, Everything has its place and every place has its thing. Some you can sense and some you can only deduce.

    If I were to agree that the entirety consists of everything sensed or not sensed then where would I go from there or is that not even worth pondering?
    Life's what you make it, including what we create with our imagination. Everything we have manufactured started as a thought.

    Have you got a design for the body you would want to have if you were in hell ? (I got a few real tasty ones.)
    Have you designed your perfect world ? How many suns, moons ?
    Do you know what form you would like to take ?
    What creatures, plants etc.
    Free will right ?

    While we picture a 3d image or anything in our mind we give of a certain signal from each of the synaptic sparks firing. So the blue print for your desire is out there if on a much different scale, smaller particles spread over a large area .
    Zoom in and out of any things reality imagined or otherwise experience every shape that has ever been made. What would you do with an eternity ?

    Surely its better to have some designs in the great "what if?" stakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Time Taken

    Have you got a design for the body you would want to have if you were in hell ? (I got a few real tasty ones.)
    Lost me there but I wouldn't mind trying out Anna Nicole's for a night, so I hope she's there when the time comes.

    Have you designed your perfect world ? How many suns, moons ?
    Do you know what form you would like to take ?
    What creatures, plants etc.
    Free will right ?
    I think you may have eliminated a need for God which is fine by me. But somehow I get the feeling you believe the entirety is God and it's here we go again, back in a goddam divine nightmare. I was hoping for better from this.
    All that belongs to human understanding, in this deep ignorance and obscurity, is to be skeptical, or at least cautious; and not to admit of any hypothesis, whatsoever; much less, of any which is supported by no appearance of probability...Hume
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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    That's a whole different matter, and a pretty interesting thought.
    And when you say "made" you mean to say that our thought is actually the same world as the "real" world? Prometheus will probably have some ancient school of thought that covered this topic.
    This would imply that our brains could acess the universe without our bodies though, and also that the universe was of our own creation, because anything we want to think we can think, which would mean anything we wanted to happen we could make happen.
    Made of the same stuff . Entropy - everything breaks down to the same thing, temperature or physical state, this fundamental entity, the common denominator.
    You can remember things right ?
    So how is the info stored ? In the composition of an atom with spin trajectory of all the electrons being slants/perspectives or more complicated say a protein ? Do they have a fixed location or do they move by copying and then deleting the original? Of course I don't know.
    Yes I am implying that signals affect curves, when the right signal hits the curve it resonates, it is tuned.
    Yes essentially, in the afterlife, if that's what you want. It's your afterlife, design your own. I would try out all the psi talents too.
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    An oscillation takes place on 2 directions, a plane, a dimension. Up/down,left/right,back/forth 3D example.
    On a 2D graph how many axes, straight lines of the same length whose centres pass through 0 make a circle, Or in 3D make a ball ?
    I have no trouble understanding infinite dimensions. 0/ref point can exist in any location in space time. I am not good enough at mathematics to prove the curved ones so I take string theories word for it.
    Resonance is expansion and condensation in all dimensions at once , this is independent in that the resonant frequency depends on external and internal dimensions to ensure the entire objects resonance.

    I also agree with holographic theory. At the big bang particles were given impetus, so what of the particles slipstreaming catching up bumping slowing eventually reflecting back in. Think of the surface of the sun how many of the wave/flame troughs are caused by reflected particles putting more pressure there than at the peaks ? Everything is built in layers, or at least its surface is. (I do wonder if an atom nucleus could have neutron wrapping proton wrapping neutron etc. No way to be sure until we see them).
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    so the information on the particle (what makes it itself) is encoded in oscillations/spin. That's what your saying? Otherwise it would be the "common denominator (0)? This is your "signal".

    Maybe I'm just stupid but you seem to me to be pulling unexplained ideas out of your hat. I'm slower than that. Could you take it from the top? Like what are these curves? What does the afterlife have to do with the signal curves? Maybe if someone else gets it they could explain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    so the information on the particle (what makes it itself) is encoded in oscillations/spin. That's what your saying? Otherwise it would be the "common denominator (0)? This is your "signal".

    Maybe I'm just stupid but you seem to me to be pulling unexplained ideas out of your hat. I'm slower than that. Could you take it from the top? Like what are these curves? What does the afterlife have to do with the signal curves? Maybe if someone else gets it they could explain?
    E=MC^2 matter is energy, every burst particle leads us toward a new scale,(water boils, we consider the steam etc). Omnipresence exists, even with individuality. (electromagnetism,resonance,dimensions, and ultimate entropy/common denominator higgs boson, and of course everything itself). 0/reference can exist in any point in space time it is quite literally the place you are looking from.(dimensionally speaking)
    I wonder what a more educated exploration could reveal.
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    I kind of get it a little better now. It is all well and good from the philosophy standpoint, even if it is a bit radical. However, like you pointed out, I wonder what a more educated investigation could reveal.

    Omnipresence exists, even with individuality.
    By this you mean that the common denominator that exists throughout all things has a personality? Just checking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    I kind of get it a little better now. It is all well and good from the philosophy standpoint, even if it is a bit radical. However, like you pointed out, I wonder what a more educated investigation could reveal.

    Omnipresence exists, even with individuality.
    By this you mean that the common denominator that exists throughout all things has a personality? Just checking.
    Perhaps, but more specific is individual in its dimensions/properties and is the basis of every other particle, scaling all the way up to everything. Considering some of those scales are intelligent it stands to reason.
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    According to your idea, we are not part of this scale of the common denominator, right? Because we are made up of fundamental particles.

    Just an idea that goes with your hypothesis: energy could be the difference between the scales.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    According to your idea, we are not part of this scale of the common denominator, right? Because we are made up of fundamental particles.

    Just an idea that goes with your hypothesis: energy could be the difference between the scales.
    Yes we are but not a single frequency resonance, If you do find a frequency that resonates every type of particle I would say that its wavelength relates to the size of the common denominator.

    I concur with your idea. Energy is mass in motion, bursting things gets the smaller particles release and impetus. Particles are particles energy is speed.
    Inertial mass has more potential than static mass, the smaller the particle the faster it moves the greater the power.
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    Alright, this thread is such pseudotrash it sphincteraly exsanguinates.
    Neither philosophy or science, what is this shit?
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    It's not quite philosophy, true, but my radical/speculative side loves it. Maybe it should move.

    It started out philosophy, I can say that.
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    It's all well and good to have an occasional My Pretty Pony pretend cupcake party, but there is one problem, this particular party involves pretend cupcakes fashioned from mud, and if somebody tries to eat one, they might get sick.

    Hell, the mud might be muck made of horse hockey, for fudging real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    I kind of get it a little better now. It is all well and good from the philosophy standpoint, even if it is a bit radical. However, like you pointed out, I wonder what a more educated investigation could reveal.

    Omnipresence exists, even with individuality.
    By this you mean that the common denominator that exists throughout all things has a personality? Just checking.
    Even amoebas show some form of intelligence in my opinion - http://hqinfo.blogspot.com/2008/03/a...architect.html

    Just because we have not looked in the right place does not mean there is not intelligence in everything, or it raises the question how many atoms of how many elements make a tuner/receiver complicated enough for our advanced intellectual capacity to see that intelligence ? Atoms have size difference and that = tuning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    It's not quite philosophy, true, but my radical/speculative side loves it. Maybe it should move.

    It started out philosophy, I can say that.
    I am fairly sure the concept of God is valid for philosophy.
    I am not saying I know that such a thing exists or how it works but of the 3 words used to describe it :
    (a) Omnipresent
    (b) Omnipotent
    (c) Omniscient

    Have been fairly well covered, the higgs boson(or common denominator), and the sum of everything an everything of every size in between are built of the same stuff.
    Resonance of this fundamental particle results in resonance of everything.
    Existing in everything makes it hard to miss much.

    There are many more things to add to the omnipresent list, perhaps we could make a game of it, I call mass as I do not believe in a massless particle, it is just the reference point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GiantEvil
    It's all well and good to have an occasional My Pretty Pony pretend cupcake party, but there is one problem, this particular party involves pretend cupcakes fashioned from mud, and if somebody tries to eat one, they might get sick.

    Hell, the mud might be muck made of horse hockey, for fudging real.
    Is space that which is squeezed out of atoms when black holes condense ?
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    Religion and science don't get along too well generally but aren't the big concepts meant to be stimulus ?
    Religion has been added to , taken from and damaged.

    I am sure someone could make a few dollars selling the scientifically proven, and theoretically possible parts of the (pick a text).
    Perhaps that should read "parts of all the religious texts".

    I am sure you wont deny religion needs a clean up, and science needs to be seen as abstract, impartial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Time Wasted
    Is space that which is squeezed out of atoms when black holes condense ?
    Not even wrong. STFU!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Time Taken
    I am sure someone could make a few dollars selling the scientifically proven, and theoretically possible parts of the (pick a text).
    Perhaps that should read "parts of all the religious texts"..
    Sure, and only uneducated morons would buy it. You know why? Because science is only "accepted" until it has been shown that the results of a test can be duplicated interdependently, whereas with religion the only "source" is this "god" whom NOBODY has EVER SEEN. There is not a single shred of evidence in the favor of a "god" and no "proof" be duplicated in an independent test (following scientific rules).

    I would really LOVE to see an "proof" other than from a religious book. I would love to see hard, tangible evidence such as a relic that does something other than hold my notes on my desk. Is there anything? Anything at all? I didn't think so...
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    I didn't quite realize that your statement that the common denominator ha intelligence and youre earlier acknowledgement of the "god of the gaps" comment meant you actually meant the omnipresent being was god. Once again, information you have not shared changes the discussion.
    Also, rickz2020, you should not let your extreme skepticism and anti-theism get in the way of your discussions. Do not just steel up everytime religion or god is mentioned, or you will be making the same mistake the theists do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickz2020
    Quote Originally Posted by Max Time Taken
    I am sure someone could make a few dollars selling the scientifically proven, and theoretically possible parts of the (pick a text).
    Perhaps that should read "parts of all the religious texts"..
    Sure, and only uneducated morons would buy it. You know why? Because science is only "accepted" until it has been shown that the results of a test can be duplicated interdependently, whereas with religion the only "source" is this "god" whom NOBODY has EVER SEEN. There is not a single shred of evidence in the favor of a "god" and no "proof" be duplicated in an independent test (following scientific rules).

    I would really LOVE to see an "proof" other than from a religious book. I would love to see hard, tangible evidence such as a relic that does something other than hold my notes on my desk. Is there anything? Anything at all? I didn't think so...
    I have not claimed there is a God. I have tried to describe what exists of the three words used to define it.
    If this schumen resonance does relate to our tuning our brains to pick up on different signals, what we choose to believe could set up this tuning to allow us to see what we want to see.
    This (in my estimation) is free will. - This boils down to, if you flatly refuse to believe something you will never see the truth in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    I didn't quite realize that your statement that the common denominator ha intelligence and youre earlier acknowledgement of the "god of the gaps" comment meant you actually meant the omnipresent being was god. Once again, information you have not shared changes the discussion.
    Also, rickz2020, you should not let your extreme skepticism and anti-theism get in the way of your discussions. Do not just steel up everytime religion or god is mentioned, or you will be making the same mistake the theists do.
    To be fair it was not me who wrote God is omnipresent,omnipotent, and omniscient.
    I just want to know if there is some truth in it and whether we actually have a soul and what it may consist of, how much of us is automaton, how much is sentience ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    Also, rickz2020, you should not let your extreme skepticism and anti-theism get in the way of your discussions. Do not just steel up everytime religion or god is mentioned, or you will be making the same mistake the theists do.
    Well, I'm not an extreme skeptic. Granted, I may come across as one now and then, but it's only because I'm trying to challenge people to think for themselves and possible show some sort of evidence in favor of the existence of a god.

    If god were to show up tomorrow and started performing miracles, healing the sick with a touch of his hand, making the blind see, showed us he can part the ocean and walk on water ect., then sure, I would accept him and I would admit to being wrong.

    But in reality, this is a highly unlikely scenario and I'm not going to go over all the contradictions in the bible, the complete impossible feats performed without the use of technology and plain absurd. The fact is, we have not a single shred of evidence of any god. Period.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickz2020
    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    Also, rickz2020, you should not let your extreme skepticism and anti-theism get in the way of your discussions. Do not just steel up everytime religion or god is mentioned, or you will be making the same mistake the theists do.
    Well, I'm not an extreme skeptic. Granted, I may come across as one now and then, but it's only because I'm trying to challenge people to think for themselves and possible show some sort of evidence in favor of the existence of a god.

    If god were to show up tomorrow and started performing miracles, healing the sick with a touch of his hand, making the blind see, showed us he can part the ocean and walk on water ect., then sure, I would accept him and I would admit to being wrong.

    But in reality, this is a highly unlikely scenario and I'm not going to go over all the contradictions in the bible, the complete impossible feats performed without the use of technology and plain absurd. The fact is, we have not a single shred of evidence of any god. Period.
    You have moved off topic from the concept of God, into deeper theology about every word of each religious text.
    They were all written by men. Historical documentation, moral and ethical standards and law. - These things relate only to mankind.

    My concept of God game rules are omnipresence,omnipotence,omniscience define anything that fits these properties and work from there.
    If you want to wonder about metamorphosis, reanimation etc please write your own thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rickz2020
    Well, I'm not an extreme skeptic. Granted, I may come across as one now and then, but it's only because I'm trying to challenge people to think for themselves and possible show some sort of evidence in favor of the existence of a god. .
    Since you seem to conflate the character of God with the Christian one, I'm not quite sure that you have even a minimal amount of scepticism to assess such things objectively.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by Rickz2020
    Well, I'm not an extreme skeptic. Granted, I may come across as one now and then, but it's only because I'm trying to challenge people to think for themselves and possible show some sort of evidence in favor of the existence of a god. .
    Since you seem to conflate the character of God with the Christian one, I'm not quite sure that you have even a minimal amount of scepticism to assess such things objectively.
    It is not just the christian faith that believe in a god that has power over all.

    In my attempt at describing an option for what the soul and after life may be you will notice I include everything man experiences, or imagines, no single religion.
    This was to make it simpler to grasp. It applies to all life, whatever scale, or complication/composition you are personally comfortable lives.

    Animation is a sign of life, so show me something that does not have movement inherent in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max Time Taken
    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
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    Well, I'm not an extreme skeptic. Granted, I may come across as one now and then, but it's only because I'm trying to challenge people to think for themselves and possible show some sort of evidence in favor of the existence of a god. .
    Since you seem to conflate the character of God with the Christian one, I'm not quite sure that you have even a minimal amount of scepticism to assess such things objectively.
    It is not just the christian faith that believe in a god that has power over all.

    In my attempt at describing an option for what the soul and after life may be you will notice I include everything man experiences, or imagines, no single religion.
    This was to make it simpler to grasp. It applies to all life, whatever scale, or complication/composition you are personally comfortable lives.

    Animation is a sign of life, so show me something that does not have movement inherent in it.
    Trying to understand the "concept" of God is, for me from an agnostic point of view.
    I do know more of christian scripture than of other religions but that does not mean I have not looked into others including budhism the qur'an, hindu, the tao and others, but I have previously stated most of the bible is a societal code and a mass manipulation tool to get the people to do what they are told. I find similar issue with the others.

    If they were words that came from, he that composes all, his laws would be about all not one genus.
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    Why are you talking to yourself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Why are you talking to yourself?
    Because I am new to posting in forums and keep making mistakes, sorry about that.
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    I'm sorry to say this, but I hate how it seems like every philosophy forum discussion ends up about god.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    I'm sorry to say this, but I hate how it seems like every philosophy forum discussion ends up about god.
    I thought this one had ended up as a discussion of Max TIme Taken soliloquys?
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    I thought this one had ended up as a discussion of Max TIme Taken soliloquys?
    That include god. :wink:
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    Perhaps there are a lot of people who would like to see an independent adjudicator(science) to evaluate religion so less get led up the "garden path" with fanciful notions and nonsense.
    But I suppose there is always another weapon that is more important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    I'm sorry to say this, but I hate how it seems like every philosophy forum discussion ends up about god.
    A corollary to Godwin's Law? So maybe, just maybe, God is a ____.
    All that belongs to human understanding, in this deep ignorance and obscurity, is to be skeptical, or at least cautious; and not to admit of any hypothesis, whatsoever; much less, of any which is supported by no appearance of probability...Hume
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Why are you talking to yourself?
    Lmfao!! xD
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    Just for fun :
    After thousands of years searching in space a group of scientists stumble upon God, the scientists are quick to say "Ah, we've been looking for you, we have decided we don't need you any more as we can perform all the miracles ever described."
    God replies really ? So make man.
    The scientists pull open a large drawer and start moulding and God says "Oi ! Get you're own fu*king dirt".
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    Quote Originally Posted by zinjanthropos
    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    I'm sorry to say this, but I hate how it seems like every philosophy forum discussion ends up about god.
    A corollary to Godwin's Law? So maybe, just maybe, God is a ____.
    Yup, I think we can state that eventually, if a philosophy thread goes on long enough, god will be dragged into it. Who would have thought it would be me saying that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
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    Quote Originally Posted by 15uliane
    I'm sorry to say this, but I hate how it seems like every philosophy forum discussion ends up about god.
    A corollary to Godwin's Law? So maybe, just maybe, God is a ____.
    Yup, I think we can state that eventually, if a philosophy thread goes on long enough, god will be dragged into it. Who would have thought it would be me saying that?
    I suppose Descartes is guilty of this in his "meditations on first philosophy" ?
    Philosophy started on this subject. What goes around comes around. Philosophy will only stop returning to this subject when a wholly understandable and acceptable answer is given.
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    Very true, well said.
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    If the basic particles that make any and everything are the same as those that construct our thoughts, then our delusions and imagination are as real as that which we touch.
    Purely a matter of scale.
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