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  1. #1 The Devil 
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    Satan, Lucifer, whatever he's called. Do you think he is real? Or maybe just a metaphor for the temptation to do evil things? If he's not real, why do we kill each other and such, or maybe evil and good don't exist at all.











    MAYBE WE SHOULD ALL WORSHIP HITLER.


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    nope no such thing. But the 'devil' is an interesting anthropological concept, concentrating all evil in one semi-divine being. I wonder when Europeans started to use the term, as it's probably not Roman.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Satan
    MAYBE WE SHOULD ALL WORSHIP HITLER.
    Hitler was a stupid genius. He was great in manipulating people, and using some of his power, but he failed in everything else. A world can not be conquered, a world can not be won. Not by killing and pressurising.

    - 1 country can fuse with another to form a bigger one.
    - 1 empire can cease fire with another one to save soldiers.
    - america can pressurise iraq and afganistan to get oil at the expense of oil and cash with no profit and all loss just to make people who are afraid for terrorism happy
    - etcetera..

    at the moment, the whole world is warshipping bush, he may not be killing millions of innocent people, or sending his tanks trought europe, but he's playing with fire
    - Iraq
    - Iran
    - Afganistan
    - Pakistan
    - North Korea
    - etcetera..

    who's still voting for him?
    Growing up, i marveled at star-trek's science, and ignored the perfect society. Now, i try to ignore their science, and marvel at the society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zwolver
    who's still voting for him?
    a few months ago i would have said, half the voting population.
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    if u want to worship ssomeone, pick me.
    devil is my bud and he owe me some favors
    I am zelos. Destroyer of planets, exterminator of life, conquerer of worlds. I have come to rule this uiniverse. And there is nothing u pathetic biengs can do to stop me

    On the eighth day Zelos said: 'Let there be darkness,' and the light was never again seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satan
    Satan, Lucifer, whatever he's called. Do you think he is real? Or maybe just a metaphor for the temptation to do evil things? If he's not real, why do we kill each other and such, or maybe evil and good don't exist at all.

    MAYBE WE SHOULD ALL WORSHIP HITLER.
    Asssuming "Satan" is just your nickname and you're not really him... I'd say satan is just someone we invented to blame about evil in our personal lifes and all over the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuete
    Quote Originally Posted by Satan
    Satan, Lucifer, whatever he's called. Do you think he is real? Or maybe just a metaphor for the temptation to do evil things? If he's not real, why do we kill each other and such, or maybe evil and good don't exist at all.

    MAYBE WE SHOULD ALL WORSHIP HITLER.
    Asssuming "Satan" is just your nickname and you're not really him... I'd say satan is just someone we invented to blame about evil in our personal lifes and all over the world.
    Or invented to make us fear doing evil? Much like we tell children Santa Claus won't bring presents if they are bad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satan
    Satan, Lucifer, whatever he's called. Do you think he is real? Or maybe just a metaphor for the temptation to do evil things? If he's not real, why do we kill each other and such, or maybe evil and good don't exist at all.
    yeah i heard Hitler was mean, but a bit dumb and ugly

    but why would Satan be posting about himself?

    a metaphor? where is it , where?


    what are devil things? the ones that break some social rules?
    then we are all evil, I am putting a chewing gum under a table, I know i am pure evil, ...


    so temptation is evil? wow, I am confused now...

    I havent seen him but if I do i will tell you if he is real or not

    we kill each other because we can

    good has to be there so u can compare it against evil, oposites like hot and cold


    maybe we are just not real
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    I believe "Satan" could exist but not likely as a physical being that we could see or talk to. Maybe something like a poltergeist that is created by our own fears. Enough belief in him essentialy creates him giving us a greater reason to be good. What is good???

    Then it comes to what wretched said : "what are devil things? the ones that break some social rules?"
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    "There ain't no good guys. There ain't no bad guys. There's only you and me and we just disagree!" - Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Gacey, crooning to their prey...

    'He was brutally handsome. She was terminally pretty. They had one thing in common, they were both good in bed. Life in the fast lane. Surely make you lose your mind!" - The B'eagles.

    (Hitler was a misunderstood victim of circumstances. So he didn't quite meet his quota of murdering all the Jews, Slovaks and Poles in the world. He did the best he could and people should leave the hallowed memory with the American Nazi Party where it belongs <They're working on it>?)
    Hail Satan and thrill to the ultra cheap shots of electrifying excitement.

    (Save your Deutchmarks, the Reich will rise again?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satan
    evil and good don't exist at all.
    eh, what he said.
    Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only realize the truth. There is no spoon. Then you'll see that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself. -Spoon Boy
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    Indeed, evil and good don't exist, since they're completely subjective. Objectively, neither exist. And according to certain belief sets, some of which I've taken bits and pieces from, yes demons and satan do exist. Just not in biblical "king of all demons" terms. Personally, I believe the correct name may be lucifer, since there are more instances of "evil" involving that name than satan. Satan, through observation of how he's worshipped by certain satanists, seems more like the god of material wealth than king of demons. But that depends on your defintion of demon.

    As for existing in a physical body, I'd have to say no. In the event a spirit "posessed" a person (assuming this event does take place, trying to be neutral here), I'd highly doubt it'd be satan or lucifer, since demons of a lower class (according to reported behaviour) tend to LOVE to trick complete idiots into believing they're more powerful than they really are.

    End result: Yes, it's possible he does exist. Just not in a biblical sense.
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    The Devil is the animal part left in humans that uses the conscient part in humans. Anything "evil " is a distortion caused by human intelligence of ancient animal instincts like "kill for food", "fight for survival" resulting atrocities.

    The animal instincts in human+ human conscience and intelligence= pure evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alex_mtl
    The Devil is the animal part left in humans that uses the conscient part in humans. Anything "evil " is a distortion caused by human intelligence of ancient animal instincts like "kill for food", "fight for survival" resulting atrocities.

    The animal instincts in human+ human conscience and intelligence= pure evil.
    dogs have animal instincts, so do many other creatures we live with.
    are you saying they are all evil?

    our animal instincts consist of things like self preservation, is that an evil aspect of man kind?


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    Do you think he is real? Or maybe just a metaphor for the temptation to do evil things?
    i'll tell you when i shake his hand.
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    Technically, all humans are inherently evil. I've stated this myself in other talks numerous times, and it is in fact because of rather violent survival urges. The bible explains this by the falling from perfection, by eating the fruit from the knowledge of good and evil. Hence why you'd have people with these survival urges. The major PROBLEM with that is that not all humans go by those urges. You have people who commit suicide, which voids the instinct for survival. You have people who hate sex, this voids the instinct to reproduce. The list goes on for quite a while, and many of these people are both religious and non-religious. Objectively, these urges/instincts are common, but restrictive, and should be bypassed through the ever-evolving human intelligence. While some humans do, in fact, bypass these base-instincts, many fail to ever realize them and are fairly controlled by them.

    Really, animals are perfect examples. And proves we ourselves are animals in a number of ways (well, maybe not PROVES), just with a large enough brain capacity to choose weather to act on those instincts or not more actively than said animal (animals can also refrain from these instincts. It just happens less than with humans because their ability to act non-instinctually is limited by their ability to proccess information. Or so one hypothesis would claim). And in short, those instincts are for self-preservation as the above poster stated. So, no, it's not evil. But to act on them at bad times, is very...very...very...STUPID.
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    You read too much Freud don't you. :P
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    Actually, I've never read by him. Aheh ^-^;; (going to start soon as I'm bored enough)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satan
    Satan, Lucifer, whatever he's called. Do you think he is real?

    Well, assuming she is real, I think the real question is: whats her motivation?




    Oh and yes, the devil is a woman.....a hot sexy woman.
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    Helloooo!

    He had been around forever and now simply want you to have a nice day?
    And than you: "A nice day, what does this mean?", and so forth.

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    Interestigly enough the word "Lucifer" (which means bringer of light) comes from the word (and forgive my spelling) - Lucios Feros. Meaning, those that fell from the sky.

    So Lucifer was the angel cast out of heaven by god. OR.........it was a meteorite !!
    The hand of time rested on the half-hour mark, and all along that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying. The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across No Man's Land to begin the Battle of the Somme. - Poet John Masefield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leohopkins
    Interestigly enough the word "Lucifer" (which means bringer of light) comes from the word (and forgive my spelling) - Lucios Feros. Meaning, those that fell from the sky.

    So Lucifer was the angel cast out of heaven by god. OR.........it was a meteorite !!
    Actually, if you care to google, you'll find that everybody claims lucifer is a mistranslation.

    Then, google satan. Everybody claims THAT is a mistranslation as well.

    :? but I'd like to agree with the meteor hypothesis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolt
    Quote Originally Posted by Satan
    Satan, Lucifer, whatever he's called. Do you think he is real?

    Well, assuming she is real, I think the real question is: whats her motivation?




    Oh and yes, the devil is a woman.....a hot sexy woman.
    oh yea have you seen Bedazzled? 8)

    Anyway i think its a little creepy this guy named Satan makes a post about the devil and suggests we worship Hitler and then is never heard from again...hmmm.
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    Hi,

    I once read about a bunch of psychology students who did an analysis of the devil as if he were a patient.

    The analysis basically said that the devil hated himself, and that every time he saw the good things in humans it would only remind him of all the bad things he was. Thats why he hated humanity and tried to corrupt humans. So that we'd all be as bad and unhappy as him, and he'd feel better about himself.

    Satan seems all too human to me.

    No, I don't believe in Satan. The religeous fanatics all need a boogee man to scare us with, so they invented him. Interestingly enough the original concept of the devil was that he was a "tester" for god. The provocateur. Testing us to see if we were good enough to enter the kindom of heaven. There wasn't supposed to be anything evil about him. But as with most things, humans like to turn things to suit there own needs.

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    doesnt this belong in the "religion" section?

    anyway, the devil is probobly just something made up in response to a child asking, just after being told of heaven, "but what if thou art bad? do thoust still go to heaven?" and the parent says, "ye shalt burn in hael, along with satan and all ye other sinners!" if you are wondering why I am using old english, its because this probobly originated thousands of years ago, possibly when english wasnt even spoken at all.
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    I agree with Cham...except I think it was a little more devious than just lieing to a child...i.e. "if you don't eat your broccoli, an angel gets full-blown AIDS"
    I think the concept of the devil and hell was created by religious leaders as a scare tactic to give teeth to their message.

    "Join the church of Mac...because it's the right thing to do..and it makes God happy." ....is not nearly as effective as:

    "Join the church of Mac..or after you die, you will burn for eternity...you will experience complete agony for all of time....it will be just like watching an Eddie Murphy movie."

    There's no way for The Elders of the Church of Mac to prove this, but you can't be too careful..you want to cover all your bases...just in case we are actually right. So the weak-willed join. Religious leadership does come with some political power...what better way to consolidate your power than to threaten damnation for non-compliance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuete
    Quote Originally Posted by Satan
    Satan, Lucifer, whatever he's called. Do you think he is real? Or maybe just a metaphor for the temptation to do evil things? If he's not real, why do we kill each other and such, or maybe evil and good don't exist at all.

    MAYBE WE SHOULD ALL WORSHIP HITLER.
    Asssuming "Satan" is just your nickname and you're not really him... I'd say satan is just someone we invented to blame about evil in our personal lifes and all over the world.
    Indeed, just as we invented God (except that that was to explain what's happening in the world and the meaning of life and all that).
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    And jesus! dont't forget him, we invented him too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megabrain
    And jesus! dont't forget him, we invented him too!
    Actually, I do believe that he existed; just that he was both an idealist and a philosopher way ahead of his time.
    The hand of time rested on the half-hour mark, and all along that old front line of the English there came a whistling and a crying. The men of the first wave climbed up the parapets, in tumult, darkness, and the presence of death, and having done with all pleasant things, advanced across No Man's Land to begin the Battle of the Somme. - Poet John Masefield.

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