Thread: A scientifically provable "Purpose of Human Life"

A book entitled “The Fifth Revolution – The Understanding of Human Reality and The Beginning of Human Wisdom.” http://realityfound.org/ The Author claims the book is the scientific proof of the Purpose of Life and the answers to several other heretofore Unanswerable Human Questions, including “Who was the "Watchmaker?” and “Why does God permit so much evil?”

In my hypothesis I believe I have proved, with scientific facts and good logical reasoning, that humanity can solve all human problems with one very simple step (i.e. Making the care, nourishment and education of all Earth's children the primary objective of all societies; rather than the religious priorities now practiced in every human society.) This should not be a problem because all humans already put their children at the top of their Earthly priorities. Ask any mother “what is the most important thing in your life?” If her children are not at least part of her reply, I will be surprised.

I am posting to this forum because this is a “scientific forum”. I am hoping that the people on this forum will be interested enough to read the book and tear my hypothesis apart to show me my mistakes, especially in my logic and/or scientific facts. Although I do not claim to be a scientist, as I have no degree; I believe this is a scientifically provable hypothesis which should be reviewed by the scientific community. I am hoping for such a review on this forum. There is also a faint hope that some will find the logic and facts make sense to them once they digest them; and help me to improve the logic, facts and presentation of “The Fifth Revolution.” http://realityfound.org/ (Perhaps even co-author a real scientific paper for publication is some widely read scientific journal.)
The Web Site is still a work in progress but there has been much work put into improving the site. Most of what was disturbing to some has been removed and the site is much cleaner now.

The book, as it is currently on the web, is incomplete. The final editing and changes are expected within a month or so.

Any help or criticism (and especially a scientific review) anyone on this forum contributes, will be greatly appreciated.

Hi All,

I am some what perplexed! For a forum that claims to be scientific and populated mainly with scientist and logical thinkers; and people who often post questions and make remarks concerning the “purpose of life,” I had thought my posting would stir up a hornet's nest of people trying to disprove and debunk my hypothesis and claims.

With only 46 reads and 0 replies, and only 5 unique visitors (so I know the book isn't being read) to my web site, I see that my post has not aroused very much interest. Is no one on this forum really interested in The “Purpose of Life?” Are there no scientist or logical thinkers who would take up a challenge (from someone who claims to know the “real Purpose of Life,” and that he can prove it scientifically and logically), in order to debunk such arrogant claims. Will no one challenge my statement “it will prove to be one of the most important discoveries ever made by mankind.”?

Perhaps my post was so terrible that it just turns every on “off.” If my post was BAD, then I hope someone will point out the errors I made so I can do a better job in the future. :-D Perhaps I misjudged the forum and this belongs somewhere else.

We each know we are more than our bodies, more than our minds - there is something else, another level beyond our bodies and minds. What else is there?
Science is beginning to reveal this - something people have recognised for centuries – a life force generally known as ‘spirit’. Cultures throughout the ages have referred to this life force that powers us. In ancient Greece, there was a tradition of life breath known as ‘pneuma’. In ancient Rome, the Latin word ‘spiritus’ also meant breath of life and provided the basis for the English words spirit and spirituality – and God is spirit, says the Bible. Tibetans refer to spirit as a subtle natural energy called ‘lung’. In India’s Sanskrit, there is an energetic breath called ‘prana’, while Muslims call this life force ‘barraka’. Lakota Sioux Indians in North America call it ‘neyatoneyah’, while the busmen of the Kalahari Desert in Africa refer to it as ‘num’, which means boiling energy, and Chinese describe an energy coursing through our bodies as ‘chi’.
Whatever you want to call it, there is a part of yourself that is exclusively energy, that animates your body, your mind - and more - making you very different from a dead body.
What is the purpose of life?
There are many purposes to life, according to science, scriptures and spiritual writings. These include physically finding food, water and shelter to simply stay alive, to rearing offspring to mentally learning things to help achieve this.
However, there is one fundamental purpose underlying all these. Science shows there is something common to all this, to all you see, do and experience. When looking for the fundamental reason for your existence, the purpose of life and your individual meaning in it, you need to start at the most fundamental level of everything. At its most fundamental level we know that everything, yes absolutely everything you see and experience is made of energy - and everything is ultimately the result of this energy, its flow and interaction.
One of the most important and fundamental principles of energy is that it doesn’t like differences. It doesn’t like sharp variations in temperature, pressure or chemical concentration and works out ways to reduce and balance them. Energy flows from where it is concentrated and spreads out to become equalized or balanced. Energy concentrated in the sun, for example, flows and spreads out through the colder solar system as it balances throughout the universe. Some of the sun’s energy, its light, hits the Earth warming different parts of the planet to different temperatures. The resulting differences in temperature, air pressure and more are major factors in creating the weather. The various elements of weather, such as wind, are ways that nature tries to balance the differences—creating a wide and complex variety of environments as it does so.
As energy initially flowed it joined with other bits of energy and created particles. Some of those particles bumped into and joined with other particles, and some of these joinings helped energy flow better. Some of these particles joined with others and became chemicals and then molecules. Some of these underwent more and more complex reactions, helping disperse energy even more efficiently. Some thrived, even replicated, as they captured and redistributed the sun’s energy. Slowly, but surely, molecules and compounds of increasing complexity formed and helped energy flow even better.
This process built upon itself, with chemicals and molecules mixing together and influencing each other to form complex cocktails that eventually formed primitive cells. Over time, some of those developed into living organisms and life as we know it. The chemistry was very important, but it was the energy flow underlying those chemical reactions that was key, say scientists, and human life is ultimately derived from these complex cycles of energy flow and transformations. It is not genes that are the fundamentals of life; they are just a replicating mechanism. Genes are turned off and on by energy and it is the flow of energy that is the fundamental to life.
Human life is one of the most effective ways to disperse energy, as one of the most common ways for energy to flow and spread is as heat—and we produce lots of this.
Energy is integral to life, to your life. Every moment of your existence your body works to keep energy flowing. Every second you breathe air, you add food and water to replace the energy you use. Everything you sense or do is connected to the flow of energy in one form or another. You are so used to this energy flow that you hardly notice it. It is the ultimate process of your life. If your energy stops flowing you die: flowing energy differentiates living creatures from dead ones.
As such, the ultimate purpose of all life—including human life—is to help energy flow and balance.
Is the flow of energy what people sense during spiritual experiences? Are spiritual experiences just a natural phenomenon of energy flowing that we occasionally sense and have attributed greater meaning to?
Whatever you believe, whether you agree with the science or not energy is integral to life. Yet few of us ever consider this and the difference that in doing so can make to your life – and how it can explain the meaning of your life.
What is the meaning of your life?
While religions teach many different things, overall, most Western religions suggest the objective of life is to lead a “good life,” to improve your soul, ahead of some sort of judgment and another form of existence that is ultimately closer to God.
Eastern, and some other, religions suggest a slightly different meaning to life. Taoism teaches that the meaning of life is to learn how to rejoin with the “oneness” of the universe, through self-realization and improvement. The ancient rishi sages of India believed the difference between people and the universe was a matter of degree, rather than composition. If a person could align themselves with the energy of the universe they would gradually become aligned with the cosmos. This is echoed by the Dalai Lama, who suggests that you do not have to develop your soul, but simply become part of the universe. Hindus believe that your soul is eternal and that the meaning of life is to perfect your spirit. This can take many lifetimes.
The Kabbalah takes this further and suggests the meaning of life is: The purpose of the soul entering this body is to display her powers and actions in this world, for she needs an instrument. By descending to this world, she increases the flow of her power to guide the human being through the world. Thereby she perfects herself above and below, attaining higher states by being fulfilled in all dimensions. If she is not fulfilled both above and below, she is not complete. Before descending to this world, the soul is emanated from the mystery of the highest level. While in this world, she is completed and fulfilled by this lower world. Departing this world, she is filled with the fullness of all the worlds, the world above and the world below. At first, before descending to this world, the soul is imperfect, she is lacking something. By descending to this world, she is perfected in every dimension.
The reference to “displaying her powers” and “increasing the flow of her power” again seemingly refers to your soul as being energy based.
While your brain is obviously something physical and spirit is often referred to as nonphysical energy (as in the Holy Spirit), your soul could be viewed as how your energy flows around you.
The above also says your soul, or energy, is not complete and that somehow by being in a body it improves itself and becomes complete. As such, the nonphysical aspects of you, your energy, uses your physical aspects for more holistic development.
Whatever you believe, all this suggests that you ultimately need to improve your energy.
Science is beginning to show how. It shows that energy has at least three purposes and associated meanings:
• Conveying and exchanging information,
• Enabling change,
• Doing work.
As energy flows it conveys information. Consider how light carries visual information, be it across the room or the universe, how electric power conveys information in your computer and around the Internet, and how sound waves convey your words. Besides conveying information, energy also exchanges it, as do your words and the Internet. As for enabling change, those laws regarding the flow of energy also mean that the universe doesn’t, can’t, remain static. As the universe changes it may possibly even “grow”. Everything changes as it grows: nothing that grows stays the same. Energy facilitates that change. This brings us to the third purpose of energy, doing work. This is not like the work you go to and do to earn money; rather, it is when one of the forces of energy acts on something and creates a change, such as when a force pushes something and moves it. The amount of change, movement or creation is related to the amount of work done, or energy, used.
Do these laws of energy similarly suggest that a meaning of your life is to find and convey information and then use it to bring about change through some sort of work? Is this science echoing those scriptures that suggest your soul display and increase its flow and power, perfect itself, live a good life, attain higher states and be perfected in every dimension?
How to do this varies for everyone. Therefore, everyone—you included—has a slightly different meaning to someone else.
What does your energy enable you to do best? This can be as simple as determining what you are truly passionate about or what you do better than anyone else. Unfortunately, many of us are not. As such, the individual meaning of your life is for you to discover what makes your energy flow best within you.
In short, while the purpose of all life is about helping energy flow, spread and balance, your individual meaning is about determining how you do this best, what you do that helps your energies flow best together and balance—and then continue to perfect this.
www.meaningoflifebook.com provides more details.

Dickroose, if I didn't at once respond to your post it was for a number of reasons, some of which are:

- your original post is way too long, and I am afraid of drowning in your verbiage if I begin to discuss with you;;

- you spent a lot of time (your own and your readers') praising your own hard work, unselfish motives, and potential services to humanity, and very little time explaining your points. This makes me fear that your response will onvey lots of emotions and little if any relevant information.


Now as to the few relevant points you do make: your reasoning start with some very questionable premises.

1) you seem to believe that humanity is one person who has a wrong set of priorities, and might be persuaded - by you - to change them for better ones. This is simply not the case. Every human being, and there are billions of us, every organization, every nation has its own priorities and goals. For your plan to work, we would first need some kind of world government, turning humanity almost into an army with one commander to obey and one campaign to win.

Which would be a horrible thing in itself.

You see, if a world government ever arises, it's likely to have been created by some interest groups such as great international companies, political parties and lobbyists of every description. It will follow their agenda, plus the selfish interests of its own members, rather than any noble ideas you propose in your book.

And yet you don't even propose the creation of such a government - you take its existence for granted, and you offer to advise it what to do.

2) you claim to have a scientific proof that peace and good will is the purpose of every human society. As a historic statement, this is, again, not true. The Vikings, and a number of belligerent tribes before and after them, had very different priorities. As an ethical proposition, it cannot be scientifically proven. In fact, no ethical proposition can. Try to prove, scientifically, that processing oxygen compounds is not the purpose of all life, including human. Or that humans have certain inalienable rights. You just can't; the notions of ultimate purpose and absolute values are beyond the reach of science.

Hope I haven't drowned you yet, or anybody else.

Cheers - Leszek.

Hi guymckanna,

First, it is apparent that you have not read my book, your comments in no way addresses anything I have written and therefore you used this post to advertise your own book. However since it was the first comment to my original post, I read it thourghly and I went to your site to see what your book was all about.

You obviously you don't know about or don't believe the theory of the “Big Bang” by which the entire universe was created in less than 1 billion years.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Big_Bang

You also apparently know nothing about the Laws of Nature.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law

I explain them both for people like you who don't understand them.

Your comments indicate, to me at least, that you are of a religious mind set; the very thing I point out is responsible for all of the evil and problems of mankind. Being of a religious mind set you are incapable of considering any other mind set that differs much from your mind set. I also explain the reason for this incapacity in my book. The fact that you didn't bother to read my book before you posted your comments is, at least to me again, proof of your religious mind set. Not very scientific!

I do not care what kind of criticism you pour onto me or my book. I only ask that you, at the very least, read the book before you comment as I expected would happen.

I certainly do not want any more comments like this by people who haven't read the “The Fifth Revolution.” http://realityfound.org/ The ideas presented in this posting are exactly the ideas I am attempting to destroy with the book!

Hi Leszek,

First, let thank you sincerely for the good feed back. It is exactly what I had hoped for.

I purposely did not put a lot into explaining the points of my book. I thought (wrongly it seems) that the points I did make would tweak some curiosity into the reader to see what I am proposing and read “The Fifth Revolution”. I purposely wrote arrogant claims in the hope of inviting a challenge to my hypothesis. Apparently I was wrong again.

As to your first point about “world government”, you said …

“you seem to believe that humanity is one person who has a wrong set of priorities, and might be persuaded - by you - to change them for better ones.”

That is exactly what I believe! You cannot and should not say “This is simply not the case.” unless you have read my book. You also said …

“Every human being, and there are billions of us, every organization, every nation has its own priorities and goals. “

This is also what I believe is true and state it several times in the book. Again you said …

“we would first need some kind of world government”

There is absolutely nothing in my book which even hints at a world government. As a matter of fact I have devoted a chapter, “Government In Human Societies,” to what I think human governments should be limited to!

The main point of my book is that if everyone accepted the Purpose of Life (i.e. the care, nourishment and education of all Earth's children) as societies #1 priority, (a Purpose that is in fact accepted by almost all of humanity all across the world and throughout human history) the changes I predict for mankind would happen automatically.

As to your second point, the Vikings may have been at war with every one else but they still wanted “peace and good will” among themselves. If you read Viking literature it will be apparent that the Vikings differed from other societies mainly and primarily in their religious beliefs. I truly believe this is the case with all human societies. Perhaps it cannot be proven scientifically, but even a cursory reading of any societies literature would logically lead one to conclude that every human ever born, unless damaged, had almost the same ambition for themselves. For me the phrase “peace and good will” conveys a sense of what every human hopes for. You said ...

“that processing oxygen compounds is not the purpose of all life, including human. Or that humans have certain inalienable rights. You just can't; the notions of ultimate purpose and absolute values are beyond the reach of science. “

You can only say that because “the purpose of all life, including human” and “inalienable rights” are concepts that have never before been proven scientifically. That does not necessarily mean that they cannot be proven scientifically proven, just that they haven't yet been proven by mankind. I believe I have written the first and only scientific proof of these concepts in “The Fifth Revolution.”

Further “The Laws of Nature” are indeed absolute and they are not beyond the reach of science! In fact science as we know it could not exist if the Laws of Nature were not absolute!

You ended with “Hope I haven't drowned you yet.” Indeed you have not, you have just got my juices flowing. As far as drowning in my verbiage by having a discussion with you, this is about as wordy as I get. If you think this response is too long or wordy, I am sure you will tell me.

Please post again after you have at least tried to read the book. :-D

Dick,
I have been active on this and several other forums for several years. I have lost count of the number of threads I have seen started by individuals who have 'figured it all out'. Some of them say they can prove the existence of God. Others that they have overturned Einstein, or can demonstrate where Darwin is mistaken. Yet others have created an ethical structure that will ensure the future happiness of mankind. And so on, and on, and on, interminably.

Sadly none of these gentlemen - and they are nearly always, it seems, gentlemen - is capable of delivering what they promise. Almost all of them - I can think of no exceptions - barely understand the rudiments of the topic they are addressing. Most of them misunderstand it badly.

My experiences in this respect are not unique. I am confident that most seasoned forum memebers on reading your post abandoned it three or four paragraphs in, thinking, "Oh, no. Not another one."

Dick, I'm not a sadist. It is not my intention to be cruel, but my suspicion has to be that you are in the same category. So why would I spend two and a half hours to read your book when I am pretty confident it will be a total waste of time. Especially, as Leszek has pointed out, that your opening post just fails to hit the mark.

Now, all that said, you do actually come across as a genuine guy. I don't think you are the traditional nutter. You seem open to the possibility that you may be wrong - that in itself is remarkably refreshing. For that reason alone I shall take a quick look at what you have written and regardless of what I find or think come back and give you further feedback.

In the meantime I hope the foregoing gives you some insight in to why you have probably had very little attention given to your magnum opus.

Edit: OK, I have scanned the opening of your writing. I have no more time at present to go further. Your central thesis is - I believe - educate our children to be better parents and the worlds problems will be solved because they and their children and their children's children will grow up to be productive, engaged, socially responsible citizens.

Dick, it is a lovely idea. I think I intuitively agree with you that as a goal this is a good one. I gather that in your book you go on and develop the ways that such an education could be achieved. I see two problems, which perhaps you deal with: firstly convincing the diversity of governments that your thesis is correct is probably impossible. (I use that word with regret, distaste and after much thought.) Secondly, and this is much the more important reservation, I seriously doubt that bringing children up correctly will achieve the end result you so greatly desire.

However, I am sufficiently intrigued that I shall read further when the time presents itself, likely next week. To my fellow forum members, have a look at Dick's site. His writing there is much more accessible and interesting than in his OP here.

Hi Ophiolite,

Your reply is all that I could ever ask for. If I am wrong I definitely want to know where and how I am wrong.

I have spent all of my working career since 1955 on teaching, designing and programming all types of computers. I spent the last 30 years of my career as a non degree consultant to many large and small companies (i.e. JPL, NASA, Hughes Aircraft). If I am anything it is logical! The conclusions I have reached were logically derived from my understanding of the Laws of Nature, the evidence of the fossil record, my understanding of how the human brain works, my understanding of human psychology, my understanding of human philosophy and my understanding of history, all of which I have studied intensely since I started to read at age 4, some 70 years ago.

I have been afraid to publish this for over 20 years because I thought it was too arrogant of me to publish such lofty thoughts.

I cannot thank you enough for the kind endorsement you have given to my life's work :-D

Why are people obsessed with purpose? Do people need one to justify life? Lets say there isnt any purpose to the universe or life, dont know about you but what i feel then is... liberation.

Hi Raziell,

Did you not take Business 101 in school? Everybody needs a purpose, it is part of our defensive instinct that we know the what, why and how of everything we come in contact with. In humans this instinct is not as necessary to us as it was to our jungle dwelling ancestors, and since humans are the only species that can ignore instincts, most humans have been ignoring this "need to know" instinct for at least 10,000 years. They accomplish this ignorance by avoiding the only place where they might find a true understanding of life's purpose, i.e. human reality!

If you read my book you will find that all people can have a "liberation" that will make your liberation pale by comparison. You are not as liberated as you may think you are, but I think I have found a way to liberate us all!

Hi All,

I would like to apologize to anyone who has tried to access my site in the past 3 days. I am not as sharp a programmer as I used to be and I have been having problems getting my site to do what I want it to do. (Matter of fact, it seems the older I get the better I was!)

I still have not got the Table of Contents to work, but now you can at least scroll through and read everything.

I hope to have the menu fixed by tomorrow.

I have also done a bit of editing so you won't have any odd stuff getting in your way.

If you had a problem before, please try again.

Thanks,

Gonna give it a go at school tomorrow and start reading. Just took a quick look now and read the following from your book:

These insanities, warped personalities, personal quirks, stupidity and poor judgmentare imbedded in the child's brain and manifest in the child's personality and internal view of themselves and the world. If we break this insidious cycle, within a few generations we would have a world full of good parents, all with the personality and characteristics that are required to be a good parent (i.e. Wisdom).

I completely agree, but i personally believe that its not possible from the current standpoint. The world is simply to overpopulated.

My own idea is to create an elitist society together with a population wipe (75% of world population) THEN implement your idea. My motto is "The means justify the end, if that end means never having to use the means again"

Anyway, do you believe your ideas can be implemented to ALL todays cultures and people? Maybe you have allready gone over this later in your book - in that case dont spoil it and ill reply again when i get there


EDIT:

To clarify why i personally think a cut in population is 100% needed.

You wrote:

The personality and characteristics of a good parent absolutely forbids the kinds of poor judgment and stupidity which is now prevalent in all Human societies.

For that to be a reality we need to make humanity all about QUALITY OVER QUANTITY. The reason such wisdom vanishes from our world is because we are currently QUANTITY over QUALITY like insects. And so every life is less valued.

Hi Raziell,

You wrote ...
"I completely agree, but i personally believe that its not possible from the current standpoint. The world is simply to overpopulated."

I agree that for today's societies around the world, the world is over populated. How ever I believe I have addressed that issue a little farther on.

Hope you enjoy the reading.

Hi All,

The web site for the book http://realityfound.org/ has been extensively upgraded to make it easier to read. It is now divided into separate htmls, one for each chapter. There is also a TOC by which you can select a subject and jump to it from any page.

I also edited and toned down my original post in case some one new comes on it.

This has been an interesting two weeks. Although this thread has been read by over 340 people with about the average number of replies; and although I have not advertised the site or posted about it except on two science sites, some how word of my book has spread around the world. Over the past four days I have averaged over 100 hits a day, with only about 10% coming from the US. Since the site went online there have been over 908 hits, again with only 10% from the US.

Anyone else think that is interesting?

take care All,

Originally Posted by dickroose

http://realityfound.org/

Dick,
In Re: "Propagation is the only real Purpose of Life."

IMO, if Darwin had access to the same observational evidence we currently have available to us, he would have written about "The Propagation of the Fittest" in lieu of "The Survival of the Fittest". If we are only looking at "purpose" at the biological and human scale I am in general agreement with your conjectures, although I tend to look at what I consider to be the largest possible scale and still see much the same thing.

At the largest scale and in toto, I see us and the universe we are a part of involved in what can be seen as a form of "self-referential propagation". Although badly in need of an update (for instance: at least in re to its major premise, I am currently using the term "self-engenderment" as I define it in my signiture statement, in lieu of "self-creation") I hope you will take 10 minutes or so to look at my website www.self-creation.net and its FAQ section.

I wish you good luck in "propagating" your views.
aguy2

Hi aguy2,

You have obviously put a lot of thought into your "paradigm", but I am afraid I must disagree with your points entirely.

The universe is not "a process that gives rise to itself, without assistance". The universe had a beginning some 13.8 billion years ago in what we call the "Big Bang"; and is proceeding according to a given set of Laws that we call the "Laws of Nature". The Laws of Nature are immutable and constant across time and space; and therefore limit what can or cannot happen in the universe.

Just about anything that can happen in the universe can be predicted by application of the Laws of Nature. Although there is some controversy over my understanding of the theory of probably; I claim that anything that is not explicitly forbidden by the Laws of Nature, given the time span and volatility of the universe, is practically "preordained" or "inevitable."

Nor are humans wondering aimlessly about the planet without assistance. We have our "instincts" and the "Laws of Nature" to guide us. Unfortunately, most humans work very hard a suppressing their good instincts in favor of the more banal instincts.

If you read the entire book you will find the answers you are looking for.

Good luck

Hi All,

I have been ill for some months now and therefore not able to keep up with the posts. I really appreciate all of the feedback and comments, I hope I have put it to good use in my most recent posting. I have started a new thread entitled simply "The Purpose of Life." In this and future post I will be attempting to clarify some of the points in my book as I am in the process of re-writing the whole book.

I sencerely hope the new thread will be an ongoing conversation between interested individuals.

The primary thesis of my book has changed somewhat in that I no longer believe my hypothesis needs be in opposition to any religious belief. I have come to believe that the overwhelming physical and scientific evidence points toward some form of religion is as necessary for most human's survival as is food and water.

I have also come to believe that my hypothesizes can realized without religious turmoil. What is needed is not a change in any person's personal faith but rather a profound change is needed in society's stated purpose. This can be accomplished with a mutual benifit to all members of society by stating the purpose in terms of what people already believe, i.e. that the proper care, nourshment and eucation of children are at least one of the priorities all of society should champion. I have not run across anyone who believes that the the proper care, nourshment and eucation of children would in anyway violate thier faith. I do not think changing societies stated purpose will be anymore difficult a task than electing a black man to the presidency of the United States. Especially if it can be shown that such a change would be of tremendous benefit to all members of society.

I do not yet know how I am going to present these new concepts but I am hoping an ongoing, intelligent and viable conversation will help me formulate the format and words.

Dick

I went to your web site and the following chapter caught my eye, so I reviewed it and not only do I agree with what you said, it was stated clearly in a very easy to read format. Because of this one chapter I plan to read the rest of your work.

Elimination of Crime

http://realityfound.org/Crime.html

You have been around for awhile, and I'm sure you've received emails that ask you to contact your congressman and let them know how you feel about a particular action you want them to take. Perhaps you could structure something like that, with everything laid out including the email ID's of the of the congressman to forward the request to. (Make it dummy proof to get a bigger response) and when I see it in my email I will forward it you can be sure. I like the idea of converting to electronic money as the only accepted currency.

Originally Posted by Raziell

Why are people obsessed with purpose? Do people need one to justify life? Lets say there isnt any purpose to the universe or life, dont know about you but what i feel then is... liberation.

Ow there's a purpose all right, but it's obvious for humans; look down between their legs. They just don't like that answer--for what ever reason; it's too crude, it doesn't separate us from the rest of the animal kingdom...I don't know. What ever else there is for purpose comes from what ever you chose it to be.

I have not read the book, and am merely surfing the forums tonite, but am a scientist. For what it may be worth, there are purposes specific to many level of organisation in our society. It is interesting that at every level of organisation, self-preservation is central to purpose.

The purpose of a military may well be different than the purpose of a government which may well be different to the purpose of humanity as a whole. The purpose of a family, of an indivudual, of the arts community, of religion.....

I do not believe that you can provide a single purpose that people will rally round -when it may well be antithetical to the purposes of other groups! Well cared for, well-educated and healthy children work against the purpose of some levels of organisation in our global society.

Further, back to the original post, .... population reduction also solves the vast majority of current human woes.