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  1. #1 Industrial Revolution: The Tipping point? 
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    Industrial Revolution: The Tipping point?

    We live in two very different worlds; a world of technical and technological order and clarity, and a world of personal and social disorder and confusion. We are increasingly able to solve problems in one domain and increasingly endangered by our inability to solve problems in the other.

    Normal science is successful primarily because it is a domain of knowledge controlled by paradigms. The paradigm defines the standards, principles and methods of the discipline. It is not apparent to the laity but science moves forward in small incremental steps. Science seldom seeks and almost never produces major novelties.

    Science solves puzzles. The logic of the paradigm insulates the professional group from problems that are unsolvable by that paradigm. One reason that science progresses so rapidly and with such assurance is because the logic of that paradigm allows the practitioners to work on problems that only their lack of ingenuity will keep them from solving.

    Science uses instrumental rationality to solve puzzles. Instrumental rationality is a systematic process for reflecting upon the best action to take to reach an established end. The obvious question becomes ‘what mode of rationality is available for determining ends?’ Instrumental rationality appears to be of little use in determining such matters as “good” and “right”.

    There is a striking difference between the logic of technical problems and that of dialectical problems. The principles, methods and standards for dealing with technical problems and problems of “real life” are as different as night and day. Real life problems cannot be solved only using deductive and inductive reasoning.

    Dialectical reasoning methods require the ability to slip quickly between contradictory lines of reasoning. One needs skill to develop a synthesis of one point of view with another. Where technical matters are generally confined to only one well understood frame of reference real life problems become multi-dimensional totalities.

    When we think dialectically we are guided by principles not by procedures. Real life problems span multiple categories and academic disciplines. We need point-counter-point argumentation; we need emancipatory reasoning to resolve dialectical problems. We need critical thinking skills and attitudes to resolve real life problems.

    How can we become intellectually sophisticated enough to survive our own technological success?

    Can our civilization survive much longer if our citizens fail to become more intellectually sophisticated? Presently it is apparent to me that few citizens have any idea of the problems that we face. If the citizens do not comprehend what is going on they certainly will be unwilling to make the sacrifices required.

    I suspect that we have already past the tipping point. The tipping point is that situation in history, if past, cannot be recovered. There is a tipping point in the human body such that if reached the immune system in the body cannot recover and eventually heal the body.

    I suspect that the human species tipping point might have been the Industrial Revolution.

    They “tranquilize themselves with the trivial”.—Kierkegaard


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    although not 100% sure that it was a point of no return, i share your opinion of the industrial revolution.

    one of the greatest shifts of the industrial revolution was that of the shift from stability to constant growth. another important shift was that from mostly equal persons doing work by hand, to that of factory owners directing masses of people in the use of machines.

    looking at the first of these shifts, constant growth pushes us closer and closer to the tipping point of balance with the earth's resources, and after passing that tipping point it pushes us farther and farther past it. this tipping point may or may not have been reached, however a fortunate thing about our position on that scale, and its tipping point is that both can be moved. if we cannot come back past the tipping point in the growth of consumption, we can move that tipping point by introducing new technologies, and then back up further away from that tipping point

    looking at the second shift, it is the main cause of the lack of intellectual sophistication. in the past (pre-industrial revolution) people were practitioners of their trade and barely got by on what they earned. currently, most people make more than they need to and can afford luxuries. but these people are also merely practitioners of a part of their trade, they know their job, not the world of their job. this shift from knowing one's world to a lack of knowledge of it is what is driving us to the tipping point of intellectual sophistication versus technological prowess.

    i believe that the second tipping point is an immovable one, the point at which we destroy ourselves through lack of knowledge of our world is always the same. however i believe that we have not reached this tipping point because i believe there will be overwhelming evidence of it shortly after it happens. we are close though


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    I think that we pass the tipping point when we humans cannot adapt fast enough to correct past mistakes before these past mistakes destroy us.

    One might argue that we passed the tipping point when we developed the atom bomb or when we developed the automobile or when we developed BIG BANKS. We are now just beginning to deal with a world of nuclear proliferation of major proportions.
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    i think your definition of passing the tipping point is perfect. however the issues that you think we've passed the tipping point on are quite disagreeable. atomic weaponry has the ability to destroy us, but we adapted to it in the sense that everyone realized that it's too scary to consider using(unless you're a short north korean wearing sunglasses)

    the automobile hasn't destroyed us, but it has contributed to our dependence on fossil fuels, we're approaching the tipping point(unfortunately perhaps we've passed it) in that area.

    big banks are certainly destroying our economy, but if the suffering of humanity becomes too great one can rely on a revolution to change the tides of the economic world. if another great depression rears its ugly head, people won't put up with it looking at what happened last time.
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    Mod edit:

    This is a pasted post from other threads, please see my edit here:
    http://www.thescienceforum.com/viewt...hlight=#250802

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