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  1. #1 Reluctant participant in 'unfair and brutal' nature 
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    The more I read about natural selection et al is the more I hate nature and resent these roots.

    I know that we can 'be the change we wish to see in the world' however it seems so hard and futile when these natural inclinations drive me night and day towards being a savage beast.

    My main problem is that of sexual desire. My body tells me to go for the women with the highest replication value. If I don't follow my urges and instead 'settle' then I feel depressed and like I am selling myself short and so would prefer to be alone.

    Whenever I see an attractive girl on the street I feel depressed as I want to have sex with all of them and know I can't, this depresses me.

    Likewise the most attractive girls are so hard to get. The only things that attract them are fame and dominance- or just a mass of power in general. This causes and ultimate conflict within me as I hate to 'fuck over my fellow man' but it seems to be the only option, trampling on others in order to 'prove oneself' so the female will be impressed.

    I also really resent that women, attractive ones at least, unattractive ones are lain to the wastes just as men are, have had such a lucky jackpot prize; they won in the gene pool. I am aware that 'the burden of childbirth' is more for women so they get to be picky but this doesn't even out the odds; women have contraceptives and so they can enjoy the life of luxury upon their thrones while men claw for their attention. I suppose a small consolation is that beauty fades extremely quickly for women and so they too are lain to waste at around age 28 as the men seek fresher prey.

    These things make me resent life and want to become a heroin addict or something.

    Now you may say 'don't be so superficial! get a hobby' or whatever but I find the urge to reproduce or at least the urge to have sex is so strong that it constantly engulfs my thoughts. If I am not actively trying to get a sex partner I feel like I am wasting my time as all life consists of a corrollary is survival and replication right? If I am not trying to get laid it just seems like I am diluting my effects and might as well go straight to the source and try and get laid as much as possible.

    I tend to take Schopenhauer's view that art is the only solace from the Wille and we are just slaves to it but art gives us slight respite from this constant struggle.

    I still cannot fathom a way to reconcile these diametrically conflicting urges.

    The desire for sex forces me to go where the highest consistency of attractive women are. At these places however is where they have most power and flaunt it by treating men like dirt and laughing at it reselling in their tyranny. It is also a squalor of superficial behaviour as sexual selection plays out par excellence.

    I despise such places, my intellectual brain screams out in repulsion, and yet my 'second brain' blindly follows the scent.

    Suicide often seems like a viable alternative to this constant grind (not that I would ever do it, but it seems like a very rational choice); that or the above mentioned heroin as succour.

    Now of course it just looks like I am 'sexually frustrated' and 'venting' which is true to a degree but this brings me no nearer a solution. I am in no short supply of 'average' sex but like I say I just feel depressed that I am not getting the prime replication value stock.

    I am aware this sounds awefully superficial and I agree but as I said I am only genuinely expressing my natural urges and don't see any other viable alternatives without feeling like I am crippling my experience of life.


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    I feel the same way and people generally laugh at my views. I say a lot of non-PC things. Which makes sense, I'm no politician. Often I say work is paid slavery, which is undeniably true..I mean you do have a choice as to whether you work or not and sometimes even where you work..however, society has you by the balls because if you don't go to work you can't pay your bills, you can't find a woman, you can't have a car, you can't eat...how is that not slavery? We are bound to serve the mighty few who wield power and tell us what to wear, when to eat, what to do and how to behave. You are never truly free in this life...not unless you win the lottery or do something you truly love. We haven't progressed much socially since the middle ages(we're probably even less social due to internet and tv addiction)..the CEO's of major corporations are modern kings and managers are akin to nobles. You can sugar coat anything but you shouldn't. I know that there are workers' rights protecting employees from gross injustice yet we are only a few recessions away from a return to tyrrany. Desperate times=desperate people=people willing to sell their souls in order to keep their jobs and greedy corporations eager to exploit this fact. I'm not knocking the system; in fact, it seems to work well usually. But let's call work what it is. If you don't believe me, here is the definition of slavery according to houghton mifflin:


    The condition of being subject or addicted to a specified influence.


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    Synergy your thoughts are perfectly normal.

    Todays society is a rotten prison not only for the lowest of the low but the highest of the high. A high level "suit" whos actions are 90% those he HAS to do rather than WANT to do has no more freedom than a poor beggar living on the street. So the chains of society imprisons ALL.

    Trapping human urges is no better than torture, and to become depressed, nihilistic and pessimistic and even sucicidal in modern society is hard to fight against.

    this guy, though i dont approve of his meaningless and useless methods was on the right track and was tormented by the same things.
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    Yeah because it's not like such a person could quit their job, take up part time work whilst doing a university course to re-train and go do something completely different. Or just quit entirely and subsist on social welfare. Or wander the land doing odd jobs in exchange for food. I don't buy the 'trapped by modern society' bit. I've never felt trapped by society in my life. The only things I am trapped by are the things I really want to do. It's a game you can opt into or out of. The higher you go, the more pressures there are. If you don't like that, you don't have to go there. It's only a means to an end anyway. I only want money so I can live with my partner in relative comfort, maybe raise a family and enjoy my free time experiencing all that life has to offer.

    Frankly, most of the stuff you guys have posted above reads like the angsty rubbish typically scrawled in a teenager's diary. You all have internet access, which probably means you all have relatively comfortable lives. Getting depressed because "Whenever I see an attractive girl on the street I feel depressed as I want to have sex with all of them and know I can't, this depresses me". Seriously? That's some really poor perspective on life. There are people in the world with genuine reasons to be sad, to be depressed and nihilistic, to be suicidal. People who would give almost anything to be a part of the society you guys feel so very trapped by. And really, I very much doubt the great nihilist and existentialist thinkers had in mind these frankly pedestrian problems you guys are talking about. They were reflecting on the true horrors of life, the genuine suffering of millions- evidence of the lack of absolute meaning, not the petty inconveniences of living in western civilisation.
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    I'm inclined to agree with Biologista on this.

    The problem here isn't the world, it's how you choose to view it. My parents don't talk to me anymore because I'm gay, I have to deal with douchebags on a daily basis, I haven't gotten laid in 6 months, and I work a boring monotonous job. Yet, I still think life is pretty damn good: I never go hungry, I don't usually have to worry about imminent physical harm, and I can get medical care at anytime I want.

    If you don't like your situation change it, you're able to do more than you think you are.
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    I agree somewhat. I'm a bit angst ridden though I'm no teen..lol...I just want a nice job and a car and more sex.. I could argue my negative point further (the point of my earlier paragraph about my job) but I will refrain because I don't want to spend my life arguing with people. I know I need to be happy no matter what.
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    Keep reading, this is really about sex. Civilization keeps raising the cost of living and the technical requirements of a job, which in turn, demands longer and more specific training. High school diplomas have become increasingly less adequate to provide a student with enough to survive, which triggers the growing necessity for colleges, universities, student loans, and post-graduate degrees. But now, even a bachelor degree (never mind an associate degree) is the bare minimum, and educational costs have skyrocketed so much that student loan payment periods also puts a crimp on people’s lives for years after graduating. This in turn, lengthens the “childhood” of many more young people. Most people do not marry or even begin “looking” while in college or university.

    In the past, most people left high school, entered a profession and settled down locally, married, began a family, etc. As an oversimplification, imagine graduating from high school and going home and getting laid every night. Today’s kids wish they had it so well.

    Modern civilization postpones these seemingly natural consequences of “becoming an adult”. The rite of passage into adulthood is no longer high school graduation or even a Sweet 16 party or a debutante ball. Meanwhile, young people’s hormones are raging and they (both men and women) must out of necessity adopt an animal-like (and emotionally unsatisfying) “see it hit it” attitude — or become a monk. It’s well-known that young people are marrying later in life. Not because they want to, but because all of society tells them they have to — but no one tells them how to do it without going crazy.
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    Meh, before the post-war period most men in the upper classes were still only getting married well into their 30s.

    You're not forced into seeking out meaningless sex by social restrictions on marriage, you choose to live that way. I knew people who were married when I was in college, I even had classmates who had their first child on the way.

    All I'm seeing here is displacement of the blame onto the boogey man of social injustice.
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    Yes, people choose to live as they do. However, I think that many people, even educated people, don't really know the reasons behind their thoughts and actions, especially when circumstances creep up on us over the generations, as they have done with cost of living extending educational requirements.

    I don't see it as social injustice. It simply is what it is. Regarding the changes, it's not as though one moment people were graduating from high school and getting laid nightly, and the next moment, the government announcing that everyone must go through 4-5 years of college, then maybe relocating half-way across the country to find the work they like, and spending years paying off student loans. It crept up on the whole of society over generations.

    PS — We can always find exceptions to rules. In my high school, there was a couple who were actually married, but strangely, they weren't voted class couple! And I had two guys in my college classes who had wives and one had kids that I can remember, but at least one, maybe both, dropped out. The US Census states that the median age at first marriage for both genders combined between 1900 and 1940 was 23 to 24 years old.
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    If you actually look at those figures what you'll see is that men were getting married at the same age in 1890 as they were in 1990. All that has really changed is women being able to get married later because they don't need to rely on men to feed themselves. Moreover, you have to take into account the fact that less people get married period, which isn't actually reflective of how many people live in longterm relationships out of wedlock. You have an overly idealized vision of how things were in the past.

    Sex is easy to get if you want it, if you're not having as much sex as you want the only person to blame is you.
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    Most pre-WW2 stats average about 23½ years for age at first marriage, and the ~2000 stats average about 26 years. The comparison may not seem like much in absolute terms (26/23½ = 111%). However, using the age of 19 years as a datum, for example, gives an average of 4½ years of pre-WW2 singleness compared to 7 years for ~2000, and 7/4½ = 156%.

    It’s blatantly obvious that the availability of the pill post-WW2 allows sex without the consequence of pregnancy, with many more kinds of contraceptives available today. The obscure fact that I highlighted was that modern society has also encouraged more young people into longer periods of “partner-noncommittal-hood”. Thus the angst, and/or circumventions.

    Financial freedoms and the post-WW2 feminist revolution also allow women to be choosier and to wait longer before committing. As I alluded to earlier, many people don’t sufficiently understand the factors that contribute to their lives. I could go on.
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    Average age of marriage in today's world is a meaningless statistic, since so many people live together before marriage. Essentially they are married before getting married.

    I can understand the frustration of synergy over sex. I assume he is a young man, possibly a teenager. At that age the sex drive is massive. The resulting frustration is also massive. Us older types can philosophise all we like, but it does not lessen his frustration.

    Sorry, guy. It is just one of those things you have to go through. It does not last forever. Sooner or later you will find a randy girlfriend, and bonk to your heart's content. Or get married. Or grow old.
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    I agree, Skeptic, that age of first marriage now has less meaning. I was using stats as a response to Tiredsleepy.

    My original point was that society has slowly lengthened the time to getting a permanent arrangement (whether live-in girlfriend or wife) due to more people (including women) going to college/university and attending more years.

    Age of menarche has also dropped dramatically over the last 100 years or so, and women's bust lines have increased. Women's clothing have also become sexier. Sex is more prominent, and the Internet makes it much more real than printed material. For example, googling images for "Christmas" results in a nearly naked women on the second page.

    I also think I've seen a growing dichotomy among women regarding fitness. Seems like there used to be a wide bell curve with the greatest number being "average" in the middle. Now it seems there's the "very fit" (ie, hot babes) population and the "very unfit" (ie, overweight/obese) population, with a minority of "average" women in the middle.

    But yes, none of this means much without the raging hormones of youth.
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    Earlier menarche appears to be a response to a diet with more fat. The hormones that lead to puberty are metabolised from fat and more fat means more hormones earlier.

    Sexier clothing in women versus clothes that cover up more appears to correlate over time with economic prosperity. For example ; hemlines in the 'roaring twenties' - a time of relative prosperity - were high, exposing more of those sexy legs. After 1929 and the Great Depression, hemlines dropped. My own theory is that it is related to a feeling of security. If women feel secure, they are more willing to express their sexuality.
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    i totally agree with the first post i can not stand my humble roots and having to deal with these human savage emotions! But then again maybe one might argue we are the savages who resented what is natural in the rest of the world.
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