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  1. #1 Are we dreaming? 
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    I was just thinking about this and I was wondering what everyone else thought. Just post why you gave your particular answer.


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    Why no? The possibility exists that I, we, are players in someone else's dream. I hope they're asleep for a while longer, I wouldn't want all this to end suddenly.

    If we are dreaming that would make us godlike because we would be creating by mere thought. A dream is a subconscious interpretation of past activities or events. What then is the dream representing and how did my subconscious create these monkey people and what do they symbolize? If I'm dreaming then I really don't know who I am, do I?


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    Okay, but how do you know that your not dreaming? Maybe when we go to sleep, we are really waking up. And what we consider to be dreams are actually the reallity. I don't really know but I'm just trying to make possible suggestions of what could be going on. The only thing I know for sure, philosophically speaking in reference to this, is what one of my best friends told me he was taught in his philosophy classes, and that is it doesn't matter if we are dreaming or not. As long as we are happy it doesn't matter, but I'm not real happy so I want to know.
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    Our perception of reality is the clue. So we might be "dreaming" but if that's what we understand for reality... it is reality, and it doesn't matter if we are asleep or not.

    We can't be part of someone else's dream, that would mean that we don't exist as individuals. Self-awareness gives us that confirmation, we can't have self-awareness if we didn't exist as an individual.
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    Yea, but I was looking for a more philosophical answer, than a science based one, and yes I know this is a science forum but that doesn't mean we have to think scientifically all the time.
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    if dreaming is an altered state of reality then everyones dreaming in relation to everyone else as everyones deffinition of reality clashes.
    so if thats the case then we're all dreamers within reality.
    but since your reality maybe different from mine you may disagree.

    if reality is just a way one perceives the world then again many different realities clash to create an alterable reality or dream.

    realy depends on how you look at it.
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    i think that our bodys may not be what we think they are. but i dont think we are dreaming. if there was some computer that could imput the exact feelings of life we would feel like we had a body. it would be the perfect virtual reality. look at my website for more. www.angelfire.com/mech/engineer2
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    I have always thought that we might not have been in our bodies until a few seconds ago. And that everything in our memory was just printed into our brains. Just goes to show that you have to live in the present... So it might be considered kind of a dream...

    There is an interesting Taoist book called "Butterfly's dream" it is really short. Might be worth reading.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chamilton333
    if there was some computer that could imput the exact feelings of life we would feel like we had a body. it would be the perfect virtual reality.
    Do you mean like in the matrix? Because the matrix is real, not a joke, and I don't mean that we all live in a giant computer, but think about this.

    Do you agree that there are an infinant amount of points on a line segment?

    If yes than that means that means you agree that there is an infanate amount of points between two objects, right?

    And if yes then every time you touch something you have just traveled through an infinate amount of points. Think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by biohazard87
    Do you agree that there are an infinant amount of points on a line segment?

    If yes than that means that means you agree that there is an infanate amount of points between two objects, right?

    And if yes then every time you touch something you have just traveled through an infinate amount of points. Think about it.
    This is similar to the arrow paradox (by Zeno of Elea)...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno's_paradoxes

    Does the arrow travel an infinite amount of points or it never moves from its initial position (because it's impossible to travel through infinite points)? After a couple thousands of years this was explained with calculus and limits, but is still an interesting idea.
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    I think what we call 'reality' is a creation of us! That's why we can say that we are dreaming from the beginning. But that's my own reality!
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    Quote Originally Posted by biohazard87
    Do you agree that there are an infinant amount of points on a line segment?

    If yes than that means that means you agree that there is an infanate amount of points between two objects, right?

    And if yes then every time you touch something you have just traveled through an infinate amount of points. Think about it.
    we do travel through infinite points. but this is only because there is no limit to how close things can be. just like there is no limit to how small a time measurement can be. we are always traveling through infinite points, but it doesnt have to mean we traveled very far.
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    So, you utterly reject the significance of Planck Length!
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    Yes. but only because the infinity is not in the length, but in the lack of length between points. or, if im wrong, than we are traveling through the 4D world infinitly every time we move, and going very fast, but relitivly going slower, and i know that at least Ophiolite has read my post (or 2) about the 4D universe, heres a link. if you read Ophiolite's post that is right after mine, you will see how this theory could be true. http://www.thescienceforum.com/viewt...universe#20932
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    Quote Originally Posted by chamilton333
    we do travel through infinite points. but this is only because there is no limit to how close things can be.
    I disagree! There is definately a limit to how close something can be to something else. Touching, can't be any closer than that, unless inside is closer, because if you keep going you will eventually go through the object and end up on the opposite side. Then touching is still as close as you can get on the other side.

    Quote Originally Posted by chamilton333
    we are always traveling through infinite points, but it doesnt have to mean we traveled very far.
    This I do agree with, somewhat. The whole point of what I had said earlier was that to get to anything, one must transverse an infanate amount of points, which is supposed to be impossible. So yes, it it happenes every time you blink your eyes, literally, but its more about the idea that if its impossible to actually move through infinatety then it shouldn't be possible to touch anything, ever. So everything in the world is false, nothing is really real. Do you get it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by biohazard87
    Quote Originally Posted by chamilton333
    we do travel through infinite points. but this is only because there is no limit to how close things can be.
    I disagree! There is definately a limit to how close something can be to something else. Touching, can't be any closer than that, unless inside is closer, because if you keep going you will eventually go through the object and end up on the opposite side. Then touching is still as close as you can get on the other side.
    i meant the points on a number line when i said "things."
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    well while were on the topic of crazy, lets extend this idea to line segments.

    to find the component of a line segment it would seem logical, to me at least, that you would continualy divide the line up into smaller and smaller segments.

    divide a finite line segment in two, and you'll have two line segments each half as long as the first. repeat this proccess for each division and you end up with an infinite number of line segments, each of finite length.
    points themselves would never come into the picture as every line segment is just an infinite number of finite lines.

    so lines are infinite when all component parts are finite.
    how crazy's that.

    since we obviously are able to move along this 'infinte' line then that would mean that our velocity is infinite.

    and now thats just silly.
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    If in our dreams we think about objects and people in our life that we have experienced during the period that we are awake, then where are we getting the idea for the images we are seeing right now if this is a dream? Just where is it that we reside if this is a dream? There is really no way of knowing, but it is cool to entertain thoughts of the such.
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    i think that when we dream we enter another reality - one that is very real. Our minds - not our brains(physical) or our souls (spiritual) but something in between - "travel" or enter an alternate existence common to everyone and "live" there for the duration of our physical/earthly sleep...have u noticed in dreams how general publics faces are somewhat blurred and although we might dream of an earthly building, it is somewhat different in some way....oh ja, and that alternate existence obeys different scientific laws!


    try get hold of a movie called Waking Life....google it
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    I can’t be dreaming, cause if I would be dreaming I should understand everything said on this Forum since they are my own thoughts.

    It can be difficult sometimes to state the difference between reality and dream. I for example remember some things of my very young childhood, while my parents say those things never happened. They must be dreams, but I have always thought them to be real memories.

    Most of my dreams are an interpretation of what happened in my daily life. If there has been something that has a deep impact on me, I dream about it. So if life is just a dream, I should know what happened in real life.

    You can totally control everything that happens in your dream, but you can’t control everything that happens in life. Dreams are your own thoughts and are generated by yourself, this way you can control your dream. You “choose” what happens or when you want to wake up and dream no more. You can’t do this in life, for life is not something that is mastered by one person.
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    of course life isnt a dream. else it wouldnt hurt and you wouldnt die
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    if i was dreaming i would have realized it, and started flying and shooting lasers out of my eyes by now.
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