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  1. #1 What is Traditional Thinking? 
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    What is Traditional Thinking?

    If we added to traditional thinking the abstract idea of change our world becomes tremendously complex. The way we manage the complexity is that we create; we create by introducing generalizations plus other abstractions.

    Philosopher, tycoon, philanthropist, author, and international political activist George Soros says in his book “The Age of Fallibility” that “Once it comes to generalizations, the more general they are, the more they simplify matters. This world is best conceived as a general equation in which the present is represented by one set of constants. Change the constants and the same equation will apply to all past and future situations…I shall call this the critical mode of thinking.”

    Soros identifies the traditional mode of thinking with an ‘organic society’. He further identifies the critical mode of thinking with the ‘open society’. Each society must find a means to deal with factors that do not conform to the will of the members of that society. In a traditional society, even though it focuses primarily on phenomena that are generally static, nature can be obdurate.

    In the traditional mode of thinking the central tenet is that things are as they have always been and the future will be likewise—thus they cannot be any other way. The status quo is fate and all we need do is learn that fate and to organize our lives in accordance. In such a world logic and argumentation has no place because there exists no alternatives.

    When we examine the nature of epistemology--what can we know and how can we know it--in such a mode of thinking we quickly illuminate the advantages and drawbacks. In such a society there is no bifurcation between thought and concrete reality. There exists only the objective relationship between knower and known. The validity of traditional truth is unquestioned; there can be no distinction between ideas and reality.

    Where a thing exists we give it a name. Without a name a thing does not exist. Only where abstraction exists do we give non-objects a name. In our modern reality we label many non-concrete things and thus arises the separation of reality and thoughts. The way things appear is the way things are; the traditional mode of thinking can penetrate no deeper.

    The traditional mode of thinking does not explain the world by cause and effect but everything performs in accordance with its nature. Because there is no distinction between the natural and supernatural and between reality and thought there arise no contradictions. The spirit of the tree is as real as the branch of the tree; past, present, and future melt into one time. Thinking fails to distinguish between thought and reality, truth and falsehood, social and naturals laws. Such is the world of traditional thought and the world of mythological thought.

    The traditional mode is very flexible as long as no alternatives are voiced, any new thing quickly becomes the traditional and as long as such a situation meets the needs of the people such a situation will continue to prevail.

    To comprehend the traditional mode we must hold in abeyance our ingrained habits of thought, especially our abstract concept of the individual. In a changeless society all is the Whole, the individual does not exist.

    The individual is an abstraction that does not exist whereas the Whole, which is in reality an abstraction, exists as a concrete concept for traditional thought. The unity expressed by the Whole is the unity much like an organism. The individuals in this society are like the organs of a creature; they cannot last if separated from the Whole. Society determines which function the individual plays in the society.

    The term “organic society” is used often to label this form of culture. When all is peaceful with no significant voices placing forth an alternative then this organic society exists in peace. In this organic society a human slave is no different from any other chattel. In a feudal society the land is more important than the landlord who derives his privileges from the fact that he holds the land.

    For 3000 years Egypt was an example such a society. This Egyptian society remained essentially unchanged until 50BC when Western society was led into a different mode of thinking by the Greeks and by Roman conquest.

    Are you satisfied with the traditional mode of thinking?


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    When you ask "what is traditional thinking", you don't define it.

    You go on to advertise for "George Soros", and still do not define what traditional thinking is.

    In the fourth paragraph you say that Soros identifies traditional thought, and critical thought, in "organic" and "open" soceities. Nothing is defined.

    When you finally describe traditional thinking, long after you first ask the question, the definition is nonsensical. There's nothing "traditional" about it, and it doesn't even have much to do with religion. You still leave "critical thought", "organic", and "open" soceities undefined as you begin to talk about "epistemology". Epistemology studies the nature of knowledge, so I fail to see how one can examine the nature of that which examines the nature of something.

    You go on to talk about unity, traditional thought, blah blah blah, making vague unsubstantiated claims that fail to model or predict anything. When you finally define "organic society", and notice you do not define "open" societies or "critical thought", you define it as a utopian ideal that never existed.

    Lastly, you make a bogus claim about ancient Egypt that does not follow with the above at all. Your prose is the worst I have ever seen, and none of your arguments are logically consistent or backed by evidence. Please do better next time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst
    What is Traditional Thinking?

    If we added to traditional thinking the abstract idea of change our world becomes tremendously complex.
    Let me get this right, reading from left to right I read your opening statement as

    Traditional thinking + the abstract idea of change = A more complex world

    Hmmm.


    How do you get change as being abstract ???

    What do you mean by traditional thinking? would that be in your family? or the way your village elders think or what?

    How does the the merger of an idea and a way of thinking make the world more complex?


    I think your opening post is a cry for attention, a desire to communicate with others rather than a serious attempt at starting a debatable discussion, - go on admit it, your'e lonely aren't you....
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    The big problem for me is trying to comprehend the major step that is made by the human species when abstract concepts begin to form. It is this ability to do abstract thinking that differentiates humans from our non human ancestors.

    Thales, who lived around 625 BC, is called the ‘first philosopher and the first scientist’. He is considered to be the first thinker to propose a single universal principle of the material universe, “a unique substratum that, itself unchanging, underlay all change.” When we think about this problem of comprehending change we recognize that there must exist something that is essential to change that remains unchanged.

    When we look around us we are struck with the fact that things constantly change. Thales is said to have asked the important question does everything change or is there something that remains unchanged? If there is not something that remains unchanged then how can we recognize anything as being what it was before change? We recognize continuity as well as change. Even when we recognize that something changed appearance we are confident that something remains of the original source. Is there one primordial thing that never changes?

    The questions and answers developed by Thales are extremely important because for the first time we observe a human not resorting to animistic answers for that which is observed. He did not settle for the answer “I do not understand so it must be just the nature of the gods made it happen”. He also followed a new human inclination to believe that the mind is capable of comprehending what happens in the world. Philosophy was born.
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    What is Traditional Thinking?
    Depends on where you live and when. For Western societies such as ours, Greco-Roman ideology has been a driving force in shaping government and society for centuries. That has been a tradition. If you lived in the Middle Ages in Europe, traditional thinking would be blindly following the dictates of the Church. In Japan, principles of isolationism reigned supreme for centuries and was desired by many until relatively recently.
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