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    Extinguishing the Human Species

    Evidently human females are born with all of their eggs already in their body. I have often speculated that some form of radiation might some day make every human female egg sterile.

    “HOW MANY EGGS DOES A WOMAN ACTUALLY HAVE?
    A human female typically has about 400,000 follicles/potential eggs, all formed before birth. Only several hundred (about 480) of these “eggs” will actually ever be released during her reproductive years. Normally, in humans, after the onset of puberty, due to the stimulation of follicular-stimulating-hormone (FSH) one “egg” per cycle matures and is released from its ovary. One month the left ovary will release a potential egg and the next month the right ovary will release a potential egg.”
    http://www.drstandley.com/bodysystems_femalerepro.shtml

    If I had the power to sterilize all human female eggs and thus in 100 years clear the planet of humans I would give it careful consideration.

    I suspect that within the next 200 years we humans will most likely bring an end to our species and possibly the end to all life on this planet.

    I think that the only way to prevent this is for our species to become much more intellectually sophisticated than it is now; I see little evidence that this will occur. The problems we face today are enormous and while we have the brain power to prevent this we may well not have the necessary character traits to do so. I suspect our species is a dead end species.

    Do you think that the human species might extinguish it self within a few centuries?


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    Extinguishing the Human Species

    Evidently human females are born with all of their eggs already in their body. I have often speculated that some form of radiation might some day make every human female egg sterile.

    “HOW MANY EGGS DOES A WOMAN ACTUALLY HAVE?
    A human female typically has about 400,000 follicles/potential eggs, all formed before birth. Only several hundred (about 480) of these “eggs” will actually ever be released during her reproductive years. Normally, in humans, after the onset of puberty, due to the stimulation of follicular-stimulating-hormone (FSH) one “egg” per cycle matures and is released from its ovary. One month the left ovary will release a potential egg and the next month the right ovary will release a potential egg.”
    http://www.drstandley.com/bodysystems_femalerepro.shtml

    If I had the power to sterilize all human female eggs and thus in 100 years clear the planet of humans I would give it careful consideration.

    I suspect that within the next 200 years we humans will most likely bring an end to our species and possibly the end to all life on this planet.

    I think that the only way to prevent this is for our species to become much more intellectually sophisticated than it is now; I see little evidence that this will occur. The problems we face today are enormous and while we have the brain power to prevent this we may well not have the necessary character traits to do so. I suspect our species is a dead end species.

    Do you think that the human species might extinguish it self within a few centuries?
    Yes Coberst it's quite possible.

    Humans whether we like it or not are a 'socially organised species' and therefore are required to act as such in order to survive.

    Like Bees and ants organise themselves.

    But we don't, because we always seem to be in disagreement about everything and then spend too much time fighting and squabbling.

    Some schools of thought describe our original natures as solitary beings who socialized out of necessity through civilizations, as well as there being a better survival rate as part of a tribe.
    Tribe against tribe.....the biggest tribe wins etc.

    The problem with man/womankind is that we are still in this 'my gang's bigger and better than your gang' mentality. We see that in state against state as well as in the inner city gang culture.

    In fact inner city gang culture is a good fractal example of the bigger problem. Until people expand their outlook and regard the whole of the human race as one big tribe, we will end up wiping each other out tit for tat, like the gang subculture does without achieving anything.

    And yes, due to technology increasing beyond our intellects, we will probably wipe everything else out as well.

    But there is one consolation. The planet is bigger than we are. And the universe is even bigger. So our destructive possibilities will only reach so far. The Earth will probably survive us and re-adapt itself. The power of life will never disappear and so life will keep on going somewhere in the universe or even on this planet.

    Shame for the human race though and all the effort that's gone into evolution. We had such amazing potential.
    Are we now analogous to someone in the onset of old age looking back on their life with regrets at the hands they played so badly?


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    [quote="Absum!"]
    Quote Originally Posted by coberst
    Are we now analogous to someone in the onset of old age looking back on their life with regrets at the hands they played so badly?

    Actually I think that we are just moving out of adolescence and are not mature enough to accept our responsibility. I have been trying for four years to get readers to recognize this fact and to become self-actualizing self-learners and thereby to become sophisticated enough to handle our problems; but, alas, with little obvious success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst
    If I had the power to sterilize all human female eggs and thus in 100 years clear the planet of humans I would give it careful consideration.
    If I had the power to commit you to the funny farm, I would give it careful consideration.

    I suspect that within the next 200 years we humans will most likely bring an end to our species..
    And to prevent this you would sterilize all human eggs. Brilliant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst
    I think that the only way to prevent this (the end to all life on this planet) is for our species to become much more intellectually sophisticated than it is now;
    I wasn't sure this was true, but then you convinced me.
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    If I had the power to sterilize all human female eggs and thus in 100 years clear the planet of humans I would give it careful consideration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absum!
    Quote Originally Posted by coberst
    Are we now analogous to someone in the onset of old age looking back on their life with regrets at the hands they played so badly?

    Actually I think that we are just moving out of adolescence and are not mature enough to accept our responsibility. I have been trying for four years to get readers to recognize this fact and to become self-actualizing self-learners and thereby to become sophisticated enough to handle our problems; but, alas, with little obvious success.
    The human species is neotonous, especially (dare i say it) the male.

    Humans seem to take great leaps in learning through conflict.
    But unfortunately humans haven't learned that this is the way they learn.
    Therefore the conflict gets unnecessarily drawn out where often the lesson is then missed and too much wasted expense and effort is made
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absum!
    We had such amazing potential.
    LOL. I guess if we build an eternal monument, say monolithic on the moon, it should be inscribed with that.

    What if SETI cracks the ET code and all the universe is moaning, "We had such amazing potential."

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    Are the eggs essential? I don't think so. What is taken as a staple today may be obsolete tomorrow. I mean, imagine what would happen if people no longer knew how to hunt... or make flour... or start a fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    Quote Originally Posted by Absum!
    We had such amazing potential.
    LOL. I guess if we build an eternal monument, say monolithic on the moon, it should be inscribed with that.

    What if SETI cracks the ET code and all the universe is moaning, "We had such amazing potential."

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    Are the eggs essential? I don't think so. What is taken as a staple today may be obsolete tomorrow. I mean, imagine what would happen if people no longer knew how to hunt... or make flour... or start a fire.
    I think it would probably be better if it read

    'Some had amazing potential!'
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    Harold,
    my apologies for posting an almost identical item a good half hour after you. I don't know how I missed yours, perhaps it was a knee jerk reaction to coberst's inanity.
    Isn't this the second time in a week we've been in almost total agreement? Convergent evolution at work. :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Harold,
    my apologies for posting an almost identical item a good half hour after you. I don't know how I missed yours, perhaps it was a knee jerk reaction to coberst's inanity.
    Isn't this the second time in a week we've been in almost total agreement? Convergent evolution at work. :wink:
    Now I'm starting to worry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Harold,
    my apologies for posting an almost identical item a good half hour after you. I don't know how I missed yours, perhaps it was a knee jerk reaction to coberst's inanity.
    Isn't this the second time in a week we've been in almost total agreement? Convergent evolution at work. :wink:
    If people didn't post you wouldn't have a forum no matter how inane you might think certain posts are.

    Coberst at least encourages discussion, even if it gives people space and opportunity to flex their oh ever so superior intellects and ego's and pat other members on their cyber backs for their such ever so wonderfully smug retorts
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    Now, now, There's plenty of way the earth will die in the next century without the help of humans. Seriously, Jesus coming back is my favorite, I'd love to see the look on peoples faces...

    Exhibit A:
    Look up the Large Hadron Cylinder.
    Then see what's happening tomorrow (September 10).

    Have fun now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DecemX
    Now, now, There's plenty of way the earth will die in the next century without the help of humans. Seriously, Jesus coming back is my favorite, I'd love to see the look on peoples faces...

    Exhibit A:
    Look up the Large Hadron Cylinder.
    Then see what's happening tomorrow (September 10).

    Have fun now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absum!
    Quote Originally Posted by DecemX
    Now, now, There's plenty of way the earth will die in the next century without the help of humans. Seriously, Jesus coming back is my favorite, I'd love to see the look on peoples faces...

    Exhibit A:
    Look up the Large Hadron Cylinder.
    Then see what's happening tomorrow (September 10).

    Have fun now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absum!
    If people didn't post you wouldn't have a forum no matter how inane you might think certain posts are.

    Coberst at least encourages discussion, even if it gives people space and opportunity to flex their oh ever so superior intellects and ego's and pat other members on their cyber backs for their such ever so wonderfully smug retorts
    Do I stop him posting? Be assured if it was my forum he would have been banned a long time ago. Not for what he posts, but for what he does not post - meaningful discussion with those who comment on his ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Quote Originally Posted by Absum!
    If people didn't post you wouldn't have a forum no matter how inane you might think certain posts are.

    Coberst at least encourages discussion, even if it gives people space and opportunity to flex their oh ever so superior intellects and ego's and pat other members on their cyber backs for their such ever so wonderfully smug retorts
    Do I stop him posting? Be assured if it was my forum he would have been banned a long time ago. Not for what he posts, but for what he does not post - meaningful discussion with those who comment on his ideas.
    Well I do agree with you there Ophiolite (gosh have i taken my pills this morning??)

    I like Coberst posts because they do get me thinking and the topics are often interesting

    But i do wish Coberst would continue the discussion and say whether he agrees with the responses or not, and expand a little more on what he is trying to proposition.

    Coberst you make a statement and then that's it!

    Coberst! Coberst!!! Are you there????
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    Do not worry coberst, we will likely destroy ourselves soon anyways.

    What I would like to do, would be to extract the good of humanity, all of the people that use logic for the better good, and bring them somewhere else. Then, without the balancing abilities of these people, the rest left on earth would turn this planet into a hell fit for their cruelty. Done! You have essentially caused 99.999% of the population to create their own punishment and kill themselves, merely because you removed the good from it. It could be the most indirect form of genocide ever committed.
    Of all the wonders in the universe, none is likely more fascinating and complicated than human nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    extract the good of humanity, all of the people that use logic for the better good, and bring them somewhere else
    And to live on, they would logically utilize the female eggs for the better good..? Would their art and culture and ice-cream all be highly logical too?

    Count me out. I prefer to die with the "cruel" 99.999%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cold Fusion
    What I would like to do, would be to extract the good of humanity, all of the people that use logic for the better good, and bring them somewhere else. Then, without the balancing abilities of these people, the rest left on earth would turn this planet into a hell fit for their cruelty. Done! You have essentially caused 99.999% of the population to create their own punishment and kill themselves, merely because you removed the good from it. It could be the most indirect form of genocide ever committed.
    You need to read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. I predict that you will then become insufferable for between one and five years, but overall it will be a worthwhile experience.
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    I used cruel in a broader sense...not only blatant cruelty towards each other, but also towards knowledge, progress, logic, and truth.

    When I was growing up in middle school, I endured angst every day of my life. I remember one day while I was running on the track one of the kids stopped, around 200 feet ahead, and stared back at me. I thought nothing of it and continued my task of fulfilling the 3 miles. Upon reaching him he bolted in my direction and prevented me from continuing. I asked him why he stood in my way, yet I did not receive a response. I asked him again if there was anything he wanted to tell me...no response. So I tried to move around him, but this time he not only ran in front of me, but pushed me backwards. After this he started approaching me, with a cruel smile on his face. Upon his next attempt I dodged him and pushed back. He stumbled and threw his body to the round and began to cry, obviously acting it out. Quite a few people saw this; soon after the teacher approached us, the kid claimed that I had attacked him while he was running for no reason. I told her the contrary and asked my classmates to vouch for me....every single one of them claimed that I attacked him. I instantly received a harsh penalty...while the kid was walking away, he quickly turned his head, and smiled back at me.

    Humans love hurting other humans, they love seeing pain and suffering. Because of this, I believe in doing such a thing as I mentioned before. If a meteor were reported to wipe out the planet tomorrow, the only regret that I would have would be that those few people out there that do not like hurting others for enjoyment, that actually use their logic to do what is right at all occasions, would be killed, and that the rest would unfortunately die too swiftly.

    Let me ask you this, have you ever been cruel to another living entity? Tell me...what wrongs have you committed in your lifetime?

    To answer this...I have only committed one act of cruelty towards a human, and one towards an animal. The animal, was not hurt, but nevertheless I regret the rejection that I faced it with and the physiological malice it must have seen in me. I was 5 when this happened, but that is no excuse, and I beat myself up to this day for it. The human was a girl in 6th grade that I treated very unfairly because of a circumstance she imposed upon my life that could not be altered. I cursed her to no end for this when she really could not do anything about it and only wanted to be a kind perosn. The way I treated this girl was unacceptable...and If I were to create this better place...this "heaven" for the good and worthy, I would not go because of this. Every other questionable thing I have done has been an act of self defense; I have analyzed every other situation and deemed the exchange of malice equal.

    Many people do not understand this, but I do not believe that it is acceptable to be "imperfect"; yes, that is almost what being a human is about, but I reject this reality. Besides acts toward others, I also try to give out kindness, not as a means to compensate for what I have done-that cannot be compensated for, but to push the bar in that direction as much as possible. The only problem that I have with this is that most people are not worthy of kindness, only because they have done enough things wrong to not deserve it. My friends, most of which were acquired during high school, have all done even more detrimental things than I have during the 4 years I spent with them there....all perhaps 2. Those two I value as my closest friends, definitely not only for their intelligence, but also because they act logically...something so rare today. One of them loves physics, as do I, but contrary to how you might perceive me, the other one is somewhat of a punk rocker who wants to open up a record store one day, and if not that work at a Guitar Center. He could care less about physics, but, he can see the truth, does not enjoy seeing pain, and uses his intellect constantly during all occasions. He is not even well versed in philosophy, yet can instantly discuss any philosophical topic with me because of this:Logic is universal. True logic can be used for everything....EVERYTHING, from picking out which melon will taste the best, to not slipping on a banana. I often do dangerous things....I love speed and enjoy cycling at over 35 miles per hour on busy sidewalks. People tell me, "you are either going to kill yourself or someone else!", and I respond by saying, "that is impossible, I am too logical for that to happen". They laugh at me, as you are likely doing right now , though what I say Is true. I have never fallen off of my bike during these excursions nor have I caused injury to anyone else. It is not luck, it is logic. If only everyone were at least as logical as I am I would not find people not looking while crossing the bike path, nearly killing me in the process. Societies lack of logic is apparent at all points in time around me; I even feel that most acts of intelligence are not through logic, but through sheer expertise in that matter. The problem with that resides with the fact that knowing which melon will taste the best through trial and error will not help you drive a car, while increasing your logic will allow you to do both, and much much more, through the same amount of time. As I type this, I am gaining abilities in every single aspect of my life....soon I will be able to find cloths for even less money!
    Of all the wonders in the universe, none is likely more fascinating and complicated than human nature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst
    I suspect that within the next 200 years we humans will most likely bring an end to our species and possibly the end to all life on this planet.
    Care to give some examples and justify your suspicions?

    I think that the only way to prevent this is for our species to become much more intellectually sophisticated than it is now; I see little evidence that this will occur. The problems we face today are enormous and while we have the brain power to prevent this we may well not have the necessary character traits to do so. I suspect our species is a dead end species.
    As i am a rather stupid human being, could you please explain to me what intellectual sophistication is? Thank you.

    Do you think that the human species might extinguish it self within a few centuries?
    No. I think we will go from strength to strength and will be here far longer then two hundred years.
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    We were born smart enough but we weren’t born intellectually sophisticated enough to handle this high tech world we have invented.

    What is the difference between “being smart” and “being sophisticated”? I would say that we can use the handyman and his tool box as a good analogy for comprehending this difference. The number and quality of the instruments in a handyman’s tool box is a measure of his smartness and his experience using those tools is a measure of his sophistication.

    If a handyman has only a hammer then every job is a job that will get hammered on. If that handyman has a great tool box but has experience only with a hammer then that handyman will look for things that can be hammered into place.
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    Thats a nice analogy, i will try to remember it. But i still need an example of our hammer mentality, whether it's nuclear weapons, global warming, food and water resources etc before we can look and see if we do in fact have a great tool box.

    By simply stating that we don't, doesn't make it so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cat1981(England)
    Thats a nice analogy, i will try to remember it. But i still need an example of our hammer mentality, whether it's nuclear weapons, global warming, food and water resources etc before we can look and see if we do in fact have a great tool box.

    By simply stating that we don't, doesn't make it so.
    The Nuclear Problem

    Most of the major nations are trying to convince Iran that it is not a good idea for Iran to develop a nuclear weapon. I judge this effort to be reasonable and it is very important for humanity that they succeed.

    Apparently Iran is determined to develop a nuclear weapon. I judge this decision to be reasonable and it is very important for Iran that they succeed.

    Both efforts seem to me to be perfectly rational and justifiable.

    I suspect that our future will see many more of such actions all with the same rational characteristics.

    Can humanity survive this logic?
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