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    we are discussing this at school as part of our study on social issues, thought i'd ask for your input.

    so do you think Euthenasia should be leagalized?
    do you think it is the right course of action?
    is there a better way?


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    Yes, I believe it should be legalised.
    Is it the right way? No. There is no right way. Not any system of morals is 'right'. What we need ask ourselves is whether we believe that our beliefs are strong enough to limit others in their choice of how to lead a succesful life, and when they wish to die at a certain age to prevent further harm to themselves, who are we to limit them in this?

    is there a better way?
    No, because all ways are equal, to make it banal. Do we want to live the perfect life? Agony, pain, scars, they make us what we are. They have the power to remember us the past is real and that there is much left to do in the future.

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    Yes, but only under some very well defined circumstances and with major safeguards in place.
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    It already is in Oragon,http://www.123helpme.com/view.asp?id=9969, so why not the rest of America.
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    thank you for your response, keep'em coming.
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    It's only right, if you know are going to die. It's going to become one of those things that will spread, and all of a sudden everyone will be comminting suicide using Euthenasia. It might help population problems, but if one party has it everyone will try to get it. There is a lot of people that get depressed really quickly, and might feel bad for a few days, and decide to kill themselves rather than wait and see how life get's better.

    In the next few years I am positive that suicide rates will increase like crazy if this drug get's let out.

    Btw didn't Hitler have something like this drug implanted in his tooth?
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    whoops my computer was lagging and I double posted... sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nima Rahnemoon
    Btw didn't Hitler have something like this drug implanted in his tooth?
    No. It was on his moustache. Reapplied every day by chemists from the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute, after his morning ablutions. One lick and he was gone. All in all a hairy situation.
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    Euthanasia should definitely be legalized. Its soo unfair that the most barbarious criminals are granted a painless transition of DA DA DA DAAAM "The Lethal Injection". More like "Painless Eternal Bliss Injection".

    Give us a break, Im guessing there's probably a whole bunch of suicidal criminals out there too afraid of using a gun to themselves so they take it on someone else. And then they say" Oh look whatya know, suckers! I get the "Painless Eternal Bliss Injection"! ".
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    Huh. I'm confused. Isn't Euthanasia when a doctor prescribes something to a person who has an incurable disease. And if the patient wants, he/she can take the pill and kill himself painlessly?

    Hmm this seems to have happened once in history before....

    If you guys remember that French guy... Robespierre (the guy before Napoleon), he first began to kill criminals with the guillotine, because it was quick and painless. Then he went mad and began killing everyone with the guillotine. Each day there was about 100 people killed in France from this destructive painful machine...

    It really does put it in perspective of how if it is legalized, it might be abused. No one could trust other people if it is legalized. Crazy people would be putting these "painless drugs" in everyones food. All of a sudden everyone, even people who don't want to, will be dying. So let's not repeat history.

    By the way, for those of you who have not heard of Robespierre, he ended up getting killed by the guillotine himself. Ironic, aint it?

    If my inerpretation of Euthanasia is wrong, then ignore this post...
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    Euthenasia to my understanding is only ever carried out by a doctor, on a person who is terminally ill just so that the person doesn't have to suffer through the ordeal of waiting to die or the pain of dying.
    and ofcourse only on those who consent to such a procedure.
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    whoops I missed my own point. I was trying to say how ridiculous it is for the state to be able to grant the worst criminals a painless death but it is illegal to put a suffering relative to sleep at their own will.
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    Agreed. But surely capital punishment is not still carried out in NZ? For one thing we know (now that all the orcs are gone) that there are no criminal elements in New Zealand - even in Dunedin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallaby
    Euthenasia to my understanding is only ever carried out by a doctor, on a person who is terminally ill just so that the person doesn't have to suffer through the ordeal of waiting to die or the pain of dying.
    and ofcourse only on those who consent to such a procedure.
    On CNN I saw this really sick man. The doctors prescribed him these pills and if they were ever taken he would die painlessly. He lived in Oregon, so I thought that was what you guys are talking about. I'd really hate to see such a pill legalized. It would be worse than anthrax. "Worse" in the sense that more people would die, not in the sense of pain...

    If there is a doctor around... then it's different

    Sorry I misunderstood
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    Suicide with an overdose of any drug is the same as euthenasia.
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    no thats still suicide.

    if the drug you OD on was perscribed and probably administered by a doctor when your terrminally ill then thats Euthenasia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ophiolite
    Agreed. But surely capital punishment is not still carried out in NZ? For one thing we know (now that all the orcs are gone) that there are no criminal elements in New Zealand - even in Dunedin.
    Theres no capital punishment in New Zealand but there should be. I feel that people forget what pain feels like so they eventually directly or indirectly inflicting it back on others. They possibly lack the empathy with those theyre causing harm to. ???
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    People inflict pain onto others sometimes because they are themselves very hurt or have been hurt in the past. To try and figure out why they are hurt is a very good way to help themselves before they hurt others. Sometimes their friends can help them through their pain if they are trustworthy friends that truely want to help but sometimes a doctor would be more benifical for they aren't a friend who may only hurt you more.

    I don't think hurting others is very good and those that do hurt others should be put away so that they won;t hurt others. There are times at which a person kills another person becuse they don't like them or they just don't care about others and those people should be executed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nerdio_coolio_zxgamma
    Theres no capital punishment in New Zealand but there should be. I feel that people forget what pain feels like so they eventually directly or indirectly inflicting it back on others. They possibly lack the empathy with those theyre causing harm to. ???
    Point 1:
    Many murders are 'hot blooded'. The murderer knows exactly what pain feels like and it is because of the pain they feel they have suffered (be it physical or mental) that they must seek revenge.
    Point 2:The infliction of pain is, however, generally quite different from killing, which frankly involves the removal of pain (unless you assume the murdered person goes directly to hell).
    Point 3:You assume that capital punishment would act as a deterrent. Let's see - doesn't the US make use of capital punishment? Successful policy? That must account for how few murders there are in the US.
    Point 4:In the case of cold blooded murder the killer often has a psycopathic personality and is quite incapable of empathising.
    Point 5:The typical murderer assumes they will not get caught, so any form of deterrent is meaningless.
    Point 6:Juries are required to convict unless there is reasonable doubt. This assures us that we will execute a significant number of inoccent people.

    That was a roundabout way of saying that I disagree with almost everything you have said.
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    then the distinction between what is/ is not a capital crime can often be blured.
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    Yes, indeed. In some countries and at some times disagreeing with the government is a capital crime. During revolutions being a member of the government is a capital crime. Is there a pattern emerging here?
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    its dependant on point of view. (isn't it always)
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    should it be legalized? It's allready legalized! :P (in holland that is)

    Why sould euthanesia be legal? Well, you can't force someone to suffer. If someone has a terminal illness, with only say three months of pain and suffering ahead, then I don't see the problem of allowing that person to end it in a painless way.

    Offcourse you have to make sure that the person is able to make this choice in a responsable way. It's becoming normal practise for people to write down under what circumstance they wish to recieve euthanesia, as a kind of testiment. So if you end up like a Terri Schiavo, unable to ask for euthanesia, people know what to do.
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    For the record, im the same person. I changed to a new profile after failing to recieve the intended response from the nice humble intelligent down to earth people I was expecting. Maybe that might answer some questions. So Jimis = Nerdio_coolio_zxgamma.

    Oh, I was fooling around when I frist came in (is that trolling?). but I started liking this site and so changed my name to take it more seriously...

    But anyways:

    Wise old man, you say:
    Point 1:
    Many murders are 'hot blooded'. The murderer knows exactly what pain feels like and it is because of the pain they feel they have suffered (be it physical or mental) that they must seek revenge.
    How about those children that innately tear apart insects, start killing and torturing animals. Theyre destined to become killers right, they have no idea what sort of pain those animals are going through. What pain are they seeking revenge for?

    Point 2:The infliction of pain is, however, generally quite different from killing, which frankly involves the removal of pain (unless you assume the murdered person goes directly to hell).
    come again??
    Point 3:You assume that capital punishment would act as a deterrent. Let's see - doesn't the US make use of capital punishment? Successful policy? That must account for how few murders there are in the US.
    Saudi Arabia use capital punishment, the reoffence rate is practically nothing. ie a man with no hands cannot steal.

    Point 4:In the case of cold blooded murder the killer often has a psycopathic personality and is quite incapable of empathising.
    "momentary insanity" if thats the right term. Thats somewhat justifiable and people get off on that dont they?

    Point 5:The typical murderer assumes they will not get caught, so any form of deterrent is meaningless.
    Fair enough, but tell you what if I wanted someone dead and I knew that if I got caught I may get laid down on a bench and have my intestines pulled out I would sure as hell be slightly deterred.
    Point 6:Juries are required to convict unless there is reasonable doubt. This assures us that we will execute a significant number of inoccent people.
    I am willing to make this sacrifice, I would rather be at risk of 'one' of my loved ones or myself to be at risk, than have another 100 guilty criminals roaming the streets scott free.
    That was a roundabout way of saying that I disagree with almost everything you have said.
    Of course you disagree, thats the whole point isnt it. I agree with capital punishment, you dont.
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    whoops, lagged and double posted sorry...
    p.s sorry for changing the topic of this post to captal punishment. Same ball park in some sense.
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    still interesting topic though.

    in some ways a life in prison might be worse than death, only problem being that it's also expensive.

    nowdays since the death is painless i'm not sure just how many of the cons out there on death row realy care about dying.
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    I think Ive been mixing up my terms again. Ive been mistakenly thinking that capital punishment is also corporal punishment. But capital punishment according to dictionary.com is strictly the death penalty.

    Wallaby, I agree with you, imprisonment for me would be worse than death. I also think the death penalty is far too easy for some/most criminals.
    I remeber reading in the paper just recently about some guy in some muslim country who'd killed hundreds of kids by slow strangulation and then disposed of them in a bath of acid. After he confessed he got exaclty the same punishment.
    I dont really know what this means? It doesnt make me feel any better about the situation, maybe its because he's dead?

    Ophitolite, you said you lived in Singapore? Nice safe place to live isnt it. Crammed and busy, but always safe yes??
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    Wow this topic has sure shifted from Euthanasia to Capitol punishment.

    I voted for Euthanasia but I have great appreciation for the one person who voted against it. Thank god for that person. All the reasons he or she gave are very very good ones. This is not an issue to resolve with legislation quickly or blindly.

    I am very much for Capitol punishment as well. Human society has a right and a duty to permanently solve problems that threaten public safety and well being. But I do not believe in Capitol punishment for the sake of justice. I don't believe in an eye for an eye or a life for a life. I think that a proper reason for the death penalty is for being a threat to public safety by making an occupation or habit of preying upon strangers. There are plenty of cases of murder which does not fall into this category but others which may not be murder like muggings, rape or perhaps even illegal arms sales which may qualify (it is something for a jury to decide).

    However the passage of the so called Patriot Act makes me very uneasy about supporting Capitol punishment at this time.
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