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    Maximizing Production and Consumption

    To study a domain of knowledge one can take several ‘points of view’. One can concentrate on the narrow perspectives or one can take on the ‘standpoint of the whole’. Every citizen of every society has a point of view about almost everything. Opinions are quickly stated on most anything that is within the domain of discussion of a society at a specific time.

    Society is less a collection of individuals and more a system of points of view. A society is a matrix of positions. To be a member of society is to be part of a pre-structured social space. An individual has multiple roles; within each role is an established point of view. On occasion this is a considered point of view; more often than not it is an unconscious legacy of past experience.

    Each of us harbors a hierarchy of views and I think that in every society there is a dominant position or point of view or ideology. The American dominant ideology is structured about the dominant value system, which is to maximize production and consumption.

    The dominant ideology, like all ideologies or points of view, is narrow and dominated by the self interest of the commanding group who establish the view and maintain its superior position within the society. Being a partial point of view the dominant ideology is biased, distorted and unaware of its own assumptions. The partial point of view often claims universality and absolute validity. In some cases the claims are based on ignorance and in many cases it is based on self-interest.

    Who controls the dominant ideology in your nation? I am convinced that in the USA the corporate and institutional management control the dominant ideology.


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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst
    Who controls the dominant ideology in your nation? I am convinced that in the USA the corporate and institutional management control the dominant ideology.
    What is your evidence for this. How do you imagine this nameless, faceless, cabal of corporate managers even agree on some ideology and by what means to they force anyone to accept it?

    You sound like some kind of hippie.


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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst
    Every citizen of every society has a point of view about almost everything. Opinions are quickly stated on most anything that is within the domain of discussion of a society at a specific time.

    Who controls the dominant ideology in your nation? I am convinced that in the USA the corporate and institutional management control the dominant ideology.
    The two statements contradict each other. Those individuals in the US account for 70% of GDP (Gross domestic purchase of goods and service) and not always from perceived big business or the corporate structure. It is that independent view from all people, that prevents domination by corporate or institutional ideology. In fact they continuously strive for public acceptance.

    Who is controlling the millions who visit 'Theme Parks', visit National Parks, go to the local stadium to watch local to National sports or even watch on of 3-400 different TV channels. Would seem to me any ideology control, is from the public...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    Quote Originally Posted by coberst
    Who controls the dominant ideology in your nation? I am convinced that in the USA the corporate and institutional management control the dominant ideology.
    What is your evidence for this. How do you imagine this nameless, faceless, cabal of corporate managers even agree on some ideology and by what means to they force anyone to accept it?

    You sound like some kind of hippie.
    CA (Corporate America) has developed a well-honed expertise in motivating the population to behave in a desired manner. Citizens as consumers are ample manifestation of that expertise. CA has accomplished this ability by careful study and implementation of the knowledge of the ways of human behavior. I suspect this same structure applies to most Western democracies.

    A democratic form of government is one wherein the citizens have some voice in some policy decisions. The greater the voice of the citizens the better the democracy.

    In America we have policy makers, decision makers, and citizens. The decision makers are our elected representatives and are, thus, under some control by the voting citizen. The policy makers are the leaders of CA; less than ten thousand individuals, according to those who study such matters. Policy makers exercise significant control of decision makers by controlling the financing of elections.

    Policy makers customize and maintain the dominant ideology in order to control the political behavior of the citizens. This dominant ideology exercises the political control of the citizens in the same fashion as the consuming citizen is controlled by the same dominant ideology.

    An enlightened citizen is the only means to gain more voice in more policy decisions. An enlightened citizen is much more than an informed citizen. Critical thinking is the only practical means to develop a more enlightened citizen. If, however, we wait until our CT trained grade-schoolers become adults I suspect all will be lost. This is why I think a massive effort must be made to convince today’s adults that they must train themselves in CT.


    “Thomas R. Dye, Professor of Political Science at Florida State University, has published a series of books examining who and what institutions actually control and run America. to understand who is making the decisions that affect our lives, we also have to understand how societies structure themselves in general. Why the few always tend to share more power than the many and what this means in terms of both a society's evolution and our daily lives. they examined the other 11 institutions that exert just as powerful a shaping influence, although somewhat more subtle: The Industrial, Corporations, Utilities and Communications, Banking, Insurance Investment, Mass Media, Law, Education Foundation, Civic and Cultural Organizations, Government, and the Military.”
    http://www.21stcenturyradio.com/12-dye.html
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    I would say it's more circumstantial collusion than premeditated conspiracy. The effect is the same.
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    Ideology is a very complex thing because an ideology where a person is governed by the attributes of that so called 'ideology' is actually more dependent on that individual's inner feelings towards his or her own seperate existence - in relation to what ever event it is that the ideological behaviour is typical to...

    In other words - i think mostly people interperate their own feelings about things rather than follow some undefinable ideology apparently set up by governments. Or at least i hope so.. I do not think governments intend to create ideologies but they are naturally brought into the minds of people due to the state of the country and the state of world - (which the media portray).

    I think the biggest ideologies are - Good, Evil and Fear. The three main things which governments can use to control a mass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    I would say it's more circumstantial collusion than premeditated conspiracy. The effect is the same.
    We are talking about a giant happening here. It is beyond my imagination that such a thing could happen by coincidence. I am tallking about ignoring the theories of Darwin when considering human cognition by our complete intellectual class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dlrow
    Ideology is a very complex thing because an ideology where a person is governed by the attributes of that so called 'ideology' is actually more dependent on that individual's inner feelings towards his or her own seperate existence - in relation to what ever event it is that the ideological behaviour is typical to...

    In other words - i think mostly people interperate their own feelings about things rather than follow some undefinable ideology apparently set up by governments. Or at least i hope so.. I do not think governments intend to create ideologies but they are naturally brought into the minds of people due to the state of the country and the state of world - (which the media portray).

    I think the biggest ideologies are - Good, Evil and Fear. The three main things which governments can use to control a mass.
    I suspect that ideology has driven this happening. Intellectuals are by definition individuals who can go beyond the herd instinct, at least they are supposed to. I do not think that good, evil, and fear are ideologies. Such things as nationalism, political parties, and religion are ideologies. Good and evil are moral concepts and fear is a feeling derived from emotion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst
    Quote Originally Posted by Pong
    I would say it's more circumstantial collusion than premeditated conspiracy. The effect is the same.
    We are talking about a giant happening here. It is beyond my imagination that such a thing could happen by coincidence. I am tallking about ignoring the theories of Darwin when considering human cognition by our complete intellectual class.
    So you are talking about an actual conspiracy, as in Bilderbergers, Freemasons, and that sort of thing? Spell it out.

    What do Darwin's theories have to do with it?
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    JUMPING OFF BRIDGES.......



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    Nah I am just kiddin dude....
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    One of the biggest ideologies in the modern world is Fear. Look at the american government. They realized that they can continue to control the people who have lost faith in them simply by saying 'we will protect you'. Protect them from what? A LOAD OF BOLLUCKS. Thats all they will protect you from. They create ideas in the mind of people with the intention to stir up fear within them. This is a way of controling used all over the world.
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    Same with good and evil. Governments control alot of peoples actions simply by harnessing laws which say this is right and this is wrong, although right and wrong are within us as individual moral attributes - governments also use the 'right and wrong' ideology to control peoples actions and again fear of being right and wrong is associated with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dlrow
    One of the biggest ideologies in the modern world is Fear. Look at the american government. They realized that they can continue to control the people who have lost faith in them simply by saying 'we will protect you'. Protect them from what? A LOAD OF BOLLUCKS. Thats all they will protect you from. They create ideas in the mind of people with the intention to stir up fear within them. This is a way of controling used all over the world.
    Just exactly who do you mean by "they"? The US is a democracy. There is no government separate from the people. If you follow politics you can easily understand why certain politicians run on certain political platforms, and why people vote the way they do. The process is very transparent.

    There are plenty of legitimate things for people to worry about: The environment, the economy, energy supplies, and yes even terrorism. We cannot have people crashing airplanes into our major infrastructure. That will have a direct impact on our way of life.

    The people who win the elections will be those who convince the voters that they have the correct solutions. There is nothing more to it than that.
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    I understand your point fully.

    When i refer to 'they' i am considering neoconservatives, the ones who currently run the show in the white house.

    I do not believe anything the media tell me about 911. I do not believe it was the american government and i do not believe it was not either.

    The government is very much seperate from the people. You really think the people of america are being told all the truths about the endeavours of that country? If you do then you are as blind as a man in a room where another man within that room with you is telling you whats going on outside it when there are no windows only walls with posters on saying the very same thing that other man is telling you.

    The american government put a man who makes no desisions at the for front of its face and speaks not for itself but rather through the distorted uninformed mask of president g.w.bush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold14370
    The people who win the elections will be those who convince the voters that they have the correct solutions. There is nothing more to it than that.
    There's quite a lot to that, though. "Those who convince the voters" represent a small elite also occupied in convincing voters of just what the problems are. So the "correct solutions" are prearranged by the framing. And you're free to pick.

    Outsiders can't break in. One may as well tell girls they can have careers pouring concrete for high-rises.
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    American government is not motivated by respecting the environment and the natural world, it hasnt been since the start of it when the invasion began on the native people of that land.

    Many lies since then.. everybody know and nobody tell.

    ''Out of the 100 dominant economic 'units' in the world today, 49 are countries and 51 are corporations. Lets just digest that, what do that mean? it means that corporations are the driving force of decision making today and corporations are not conserned with human rights not conserned with human life and not even conserned with a proper wage for the people working for them, so what kind of decisions are going to made on our behalf by this economic power, these corporate states i call them.. Oh, theres gona be hell to pay they say for the things that are going on now.''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dlrow
    I understand your point fully.

    The government is very much seperate from the people. You really think the people of america are being told all the truths about the endeavours of that country? If you do then you are as blind as a man in a room where another man within that room with you is telling you whats going on outside it when there are no windows only walls with posters on saying the very same thing that other man is telling you.
    Oh, but you do know? How did you come by this information which is hidden from the view of us sheep?
    The american government put a man who makes no desisions at the for front of its face and speaks not for itself but rather through the distorted uninformed mask of president g.w.bush.
    Your are free to be unhappy with the results of an election. That doesn't mean the election happened in a manner other than the way it appeared.
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    Im in that room also. I just dont listen to the man on the stage.
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    ''Out of the 100 dominant economic 'units' in the world today, 49 are countries and 51 are corporations. Lets just digest that, what do that mean? it means that corporations are the driving force of decision making today and corporations are not conserned with human rights not conserned with human life and not even conserned with a proper wage for the people working for them, so what kind of decisions are going to made on our behalf by this economic power, these corporate states i call them.. Oh, theres gona be hell to pay they say for the things that are going on now.''

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