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  1. #1 should a theory of all things explain the shape of reality 
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    As a follow up, so as not to be confusing with the previous post, basically can a theory of all things (and I am not even assuming one is possible), can a theory of all things actually EXPLAIN the shape of reality, and further to that, should it explain the automation we live in, well, the automation we have lived in. Just how far must a theory of all space-time go? Is there a limit to what science EXPECTS to be necessary as a theory? I myself, I don't know, but what does any sincere scientist consider to be enough? I would like to know, because technically I would like to know what exactly science is looking for whren they go in search of that holy grail. I want to know whether to be a part of that search or realize that the way it is being approached and the associated expectations is sheerly farcical.


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    I think you are right in saying perception has something to do with unification. In order to identify processes on the micro scale with those of macro scale you have to change your perception. The same processes that take place in a beaker of solutions and mixtures heated and cooled takes place on the atmospheres of planets, both struggling to achieve equilibrium To the untrained eye they seem different, you have to perceptively slow time when dealing with smaller scales and speed it up when dealing with larger. The same static build-up and discharge that takes place walking across the carpet and touching a door knob takes place in the atmosphere with lightning.


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    Depends what you mean by the 'shape of all reality' really.
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    Yeah, I have to agree. How does one define "shape of reality"? It makes my head hurt trying to understand what you even mean...
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    I think I sort of see what you are getting at. Quantum mechanics and relativity overthrew Newtonian mechanics and changed our view of the world. Although it still reduces down to Newtonian mechanics as long as we are talking about macroscopic things going at speeds <<c. The grand unification theories are trying to supersede quantum mechanics and relativity in the same way. As far as the practical applications, which I think is what you mean by automation, I don't foresee any huge impacts. I could be wrong. Most technology that engineers work with day to day does not even involve quantum mechanics or relativity, but there are some exceptions - lasers, nuclear magnetic resonance. It's hard to foresee what will come out of theoretical physics of the future. I don't think the theoretical physicists of the 20th century did their research with the objective of inventing lasers or NMR machines.
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    you obviously know what i am talking about. why not ask for my website address and get through this pam shit.
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    Well, your previous interlocutors might know what you're talking about, but I don't, though I'm not a physicist. If the "shape of reality" means something to you, perhaps you might explain it a bit further. It's foxy to me.

    In fact, how about you define "reality"? this is not easily done, but give us a break, try it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitarist
    Well, your previous interlocutors might know what you're talking about, but I don't, though I'm not a physicist. If the "shape of reality" means something to you, perhaps you might explain it a bit further. It's foxy to me.

    In fact, how about you define "reality"? this is not easily done, but give us a break, try it!
    I'll give it a try. Since you say you are not a physicist it might be a little harder to relate but I think you can still get the idea. Lets say you have seen a grandfather clock working and had no idea how it functioned. You open up the back of the clock and you see the gears, the escapement, and all the other parts that make it work. After studying it for a while, you suddenly say, aha, I have got it figured out. Now I know the "reality" of the clock in a way I never could have by just watching the hands move.

    In a similar way, a physicist learns some fundamental law of nature and feels that he has somehow an insight into reality that he did not have before. It is not just a matter of memorizing a formula, or at least it seems like more than that. He feels he has seen the "clockwork" behind the motion of the universe.
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  10. #9 the shape of reality, and the shape of perception 
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    I think the shape of reality is something that a thing like gravity dictates, and we are all in search of that theory of gravity, are we not. The shape of reality is the very SHAPE of reality, that which some underlying force actually DEFINES, some underlying force we are in search of, some type of clock mechanism.

    On another point, i understand the romantic version of being some old theorist opening the back of a clock and usig that as a metaphor for explaining the forces of the universe. My point is that, and some physicists may actually agree with me, that you have to involve YOURSELF in the equation of explaining the universe.n If humanity for instance is able to actually be a FORCE in the universe, to SHAPE the universe, as we do, we ALSO need to be in the equation. So, thus, would not our ability to be AWARE be involved in some type of explanation of the overall univseral clock?
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    We don't know that we change the universe at all. Our ability to act as an autonomous being is far from being proven.

    However, we do have to take into consideration the tools we have at our disposal for the understanding of reality, space, time, etc which would be our (seemingly) far from logical-functioning minds. Who knows what we have the ability to comprehend.

    Still doesn't stop us from looking & trying though.
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  12. #11 looking ahead 
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    I think it is always wise to look ahead and assess the implications of a society actually FINDING the theory of all things. Wat type of wizardry over nature would a society have in being possessed with the tools of understanding space-time perfectly. We would be GODS. IN THAT SITUATION we would have to have convinced ourselves that our very BEING-NESS, our very perception, is actually a fundamental feature of the mechanics of space-time. Visit my website, download the pdf. Take a look at what i might be talking about.
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