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    it's not representative of how people actually behave.

    it's biased, subjective, and not the same as other sciences.

    it's pretty taken up to be a false science, which by many metrics would make the masses mentally "ill".


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    Do you mean it's Catch 22?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 1885 View Post
    it's not representative of how people actually behave.

    it's biased, subjective, and not the same as other sciences.

    it's pretty taken up to be a false science, which by many metrics would make the masses mentally "ill".
    Why would you say that?
    All that belongs to human understanding, in this deep ignorance and obscurity, is to be skeptical, or at least cautious; and not to admit of any hypothesis, whatsoever; much less, of any which is supported by no appearance of probability...Hume
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1885 View Post
    it's not representative of how people actually behave.

    it's biased, subjective, and not the same as other sciences.

    it's pretty taken up to be a false science, which by many metrics would make the masses mentally "ill".
    somewhat disappointed with the (lack of) quality of the OP - would have preferred some more meat to it beyond three “take it or leave it” assertions
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    The OP sounds very familiar. I'm sure there was another loon who disliked psychiatry and psychologists and had a very similar posting style...
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    I was thinking of post#43 in this thread:
    http://www.thescienceforum.com/trash...l-science.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    I was thinking of post#43 in this thread:
    http://www.thescienceforum.com/trash...l-science.html
    You have an amazing ability to recollect loons on here. So many seem to blur together on here for me.
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    My memory is an odd thing... Some things just stick and can't be removed (even if I wish they could!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    My memory is an odd thing... Some things just stick and can't be removed (even if I wish they could!).
    Ahh Mr. PhDemon. Have a seat on the couch. Lay back and just relax. Soooo, has this been a problem?
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    It's helped me pass a lot of exams!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1885 View Post
    it's not representative of how people actually behave.
    Psychiatry is the treatment of mental illnesses. It is not a study of "how people actually behave."
    it's biased, subjective, and not the same as other sciences.
    It is evidence-based, like most of modern medicine. Treatments are evaluated on how well they work. Treatments that work are retained; treatments that do not work are abandoned.
    it's pretty taken up to be a false science, which by many metrics would make the masses mentally "ill".
    It sounds like you read one of the DSM manuals without any education and misinterpreted it. It's a common mistake, like a first year medical student reading a book on infectious disease and deciding he has methemglobinemia because his lips turn blue when it's cold out.
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    mind you, I can see where psychiatry got its bad name from, having started with Freud and Jung and their own confabulations and neuroses - I would like to think that in the here and now psychiatry has been able to throw off those pseudoscientific beginnings, especially with the introduction of neuroscience to underpin many mental diseases
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
    mind you, I can see where psychiatry got its bad name from, having started with Freud and Jung and their own confabulations and neuroses - I would like to think that in the here and now psychiatry has been able to throw off those pseudoscientific beginnings, especially with the introduction of neuroscience to underpin many mental diseases
    That is psychoanalysis, though, isn't it, rather than psychiatry? Or are both part of the same thing? I must admit psychoanalysis does strike me as a bit flaky in places.
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    my impression is that psycho-analysis was an early form of psychiatry, seeing as it intended to treat mental health disorders
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
    my impression is that psycho-analysis was an early form of psychiatry, seeing as it intended to treat mental health disorders
    Was? It still goes on, especially in fashionable US W. Coast circles. And, so far as I can see, it makes people obsessed with staring up their own ar5eholes and quite bonkers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by marnixR View Post
    my impression is that psycho-analysis was an early form of psychiatry, seeing as it intended to treat mental health disorders
    Didn't Freud work off the principle that everything is related to s*x, but Jung gave us our souls back.
    However, we can dismiss Jung if the day the bookcase exploded story is true.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...ve-visit-freud
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    imo both Freud and Jung had their own demons, which they tried to treat as if they could be generalised to all of humankind
    do scientists or proper medics still think of psycho-analysis as if it were proper science ? my impression was that the world and psychiatry had moved on
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    It might have been proposed that it was once a Jewish conspiracy of sorts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ox View Post
    It might have been proposed that it was once a Jewish conspiracy of sorts.
    with Woody Allen as the grand inquisitor of the psycho-analytical sofa ?
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