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  1. #1 Theory of Gravity “Creating” Space 
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    I came up with a theory and want to discuss it to see if it even makes any sense. So the new belief is that in every black hole there is another universe and in said universe there are black holes with the same notion forevermore. I came up with the idea that intense gravity creates the illusion of space. So even though a black hole is X in terms of how big it is, it isn’t a wormhole to another universe, the universe is actually physically in the black hole by way of extreme gravity “creating” More space by stretching it. Extreme gravity pulling torwards the center would stretch a small amount of space into the illusion of much more space. The same way more lift is needed to fly on a higher gravity planet pulling you down, in this case a black hole pulling you torwards the center and literally creating or stretching space time with insane gravity. A small amount of space relatively would be much more expansive from inside the black hole. Matter in the black holes universe would come from whatever it swallowed or sucked in and in turn swell up and expand the way our universe is expanding. Please be gentle as I’m not a physicist only a computer IT and merely a huge fan of physics and came up with this idea with not much physics education other than whatever is self taught. Thank you.
    - Charalambos Pagiazitis

    P.S. The stretching effect when something gets near a black hole would in turn be because of this in some manner.


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    Anyone? Any thoughts?


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    Hello?
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    Hi and welcome,

    In science a "theory" requires backing up with hard evidence based on study, tests and observational data. You can have an "idea" that is fine, but again I would suggest that if you decide to present a scientific idea on a science forum, you do some study on the subject matter beforehand so you have least some idea of what you are talking about.

    There are many hypothesis about black holes and what happens beyond the event horizon. The truth is we don't know, it might be that the laws of nature that we adhere to breakdown inside a black hole. Scientists can make some educated guesses based on the laws of nature, because that is all we have to work with.

    Your idea is not a new one, some scientists think that black holes do create space. In fact it is an idea that the supermassive black holes might even create new universes parallel to our own. If this is the case then it might even be that our own universe came from a black hole from an earlier/other universe.
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    Your theory, just like the universe, is full of holes.
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    As disturbing as the notion is of people who think that an idea is a theory, it is perhaps even more disturbing to consider those people thinking that a theory is an idea.
    There are no paradoxes in relativity, just people's misunderstandings of it.
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    Ok idea not theory I apologize and I know barely anything is known about black holes but the idea is gravity stretching space. I don’t know the math behind it. What do you guys think of gravity stretching space?
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    I’m not talking about black holes creating space, I’m saying that same space is stretched and seems larger from inside the black hole from extreme gravity. The way gravity can bend light it’s effect on space would be stretching it where inside a black hole a small amount of space would seem much larger.
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    Gravity doesn't create space, it is space. Space-time actually.
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    Ok well then a black hole distorting space time or gravity to make it seem like more space exists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lpagiazitis View Post
    Ok well then a black hole distorting space time or gravity to make it seem like more space exists.
    "make it seem" doesn't mean "create"... Besides distortion of space-time can be relative for two observers - if someone, who's placed in a deep gravity well, can see, that the space is "stretched" beyond the well, then someone, who's located beyond the well, will see, that the space inside the well is "squeezed". This effect doesn't "add more space" to the frame. Of course, I can be wrong - as I'm not a professional physicist
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    That’s exactly what I mean bud. Exactly what you just said. Say for someone in the black hole universe it would seem expansive where as to us we would see where it start and ends from outside perspective. I think you finally get what I was trying to say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lpagiazitis View Post
    That’s exactly what I mean bud. Exactly what you just said. Say for someone in the black hole universe it would seem expansive where as to us we would see where it start and ends from outside perspective. I think you finally get what I was trying to say.
    But this is predicted by GR - it's about the RELATIVITY - impressions can be relative, depending on local frame...
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    So even thought with a black hole it would be theory since we don’t know anything about them do you think this is possible? I mean as far as black holes being wormholes to different universes I instead think the universe is itself in there with what we are discussing now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lpagiazitis View Post
    So even thought with a black hole it would be theory since we don’t know anything about them do you think this is possible? I mean as far as black holes being wormholes to different universes I instead think the universe is itself in there with what we are discussing now.
    Relative perception of space for 2 observers is for sure possible. Black holes being wormholes not that much...
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    You know how they say black holes spit you out in another universe. I’m saying that maybe they don’t that the universe is inside of them with the relative perception of space like you said. So we are also in that case in my mind in a black hole of our own in this way.
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    And thanks astraltravler your the only one that actually engaged me and tried to understand without smart remarks.
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    You know how they say black holes spit you out in another universe. I’m saying that maybe they don’t that the universe is inside of them with the relative perception of space like you said. So we are also in that case in my mind in a black hole of our own in this way.
    I think, that from time to time, BH's "throw up" the stuff, which they "swallowed" in form of jets or gamma rays... The concept of BH as a wormohole is nothing more, than unproven theory - but so is a lot of other things

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    And thanks astraltravler your the only one that actually engaged me and tried to understand without smart remarks.
    You welcome! Maybe it's because I'm not a professional physicist neither
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