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    While absolutely not discarding any known proven facts, and really not wanting to try to invent yet another wacky new theory, it is still worthwhile to try look analytically at the double slit experiment and ask what is the simplest interpretation that could explain the observations and also eliminate the obvious paradoxes - to look at the accepted facts and try to find a rational perspective. This experiment is the focus for many curious minds, but for good reason. It is the core experiment that in it's various forms displays many of the oddities of reality at the quantum level, but is one where simple effects can be observed by anyone for the cost of a laser pointer.

    A suggested interpretation can be read in detail by following a link in the signature box below, and that includes illustrations, references and hopefully some logical reasoning, but a very brief outline is as follows:

    Observations of quantum phenomena - entanglement, quantum tunnelling, particle/wave duality, questions over causality - seem to be quite puzzling and unintuitive to us and that is because what we perceive as our reality is really a framework which seems to be built out of something more fundamental. The question of what might have come 'before' the big bang is in itself a conundrum on several levels, and wondering how entangled particles can apparently be entangled over any space and time, yet without violating what we understand as universal laws, is mystifying when viewed from the perspective of what we consider real. Time itself can pass at different rates in different places and even the concept of 'now' is dependent on location and relative velocity. So if we want to view the results of the double slit experiment and try to disentangle the evidence and eliminate paradoxes we need to keep an open mind. But the first paradox we should eliminate is the possibility of retrocausality, the concept of an effect preceding the cause. If we can eliminate retrocausality and follow logical reasoning (read the website) this seems to lead to some very likely conclusions:


    • Light is not simply a phenomena within our reality but is something that creates the fabric of it.


    • A photon is not a particle but a wave.


    • The probability wave causes the interference pattern and its collapse resolves the possibilities into a single location. It does this as a single event not as a sequence of events.


    • It is all simultaneous. Light that travels from early in the life of the universe and terminates in the future is concurrent outside our perceived dimensions.


    • Observation and detection are the same thing.


    • Entanglement is the state of two or more particles sharing the same probability wave and its collapse is a single simultaneous event with multiple outcomes / locations.


    • Space and time are not fundamental. They are emergent from a more fundamental timeless reality.


    • The Many-Worlds Theory is redundant.


    It is possible to simplify this way of visualising reality by viewing it as emergent, not fundamental, by suggesting that what we perceive is a resultant phenomena from something more basic. These propositions so far are not anything that would be thought particularly radical, but are simply trying to find the simplest model that would eliminate paradoxes. The reasoning used to arrive at these conclusions can be read in the full article, but after proposing logical conclusions in the first part, we can move on to be more speculative in part 2.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Rarry View Post
    it is still worthwhile to try look analytically at the double slit experiment and ask what is the simplest interpretation that could explain the observations and also eliminate the obvious paradoxes - to look at the accepted facts and try to find a rational perspective.
    What paradoxes?

    And what is wrong with the existing rational perspective? (I.e. the theory that explains the results.)

    wondering how entangled particles can apparently be entangled over any space and time, yet without violating what we understand as universal laws, is mystifying when viewed from the perspective of what we consider real.
    Maybe what you understand as "universal laws" needs to be updated. And your perspective of what you consider real. You seem to be stuck in the 19th century.


    A photon is not a particle but a wave.
    It is not really either. But it certainly behaves like a wave. Nothing very remarkable there.

    The probability wave causes the interference pattern and its collapse resolves the possibilities into a single location. It does this as a single event not as a sequence of events.
    Yes.

    It is all simultaneous. Light that travels from early in the life of the universe and terminates in the future is concurrent outside our perceived dimensions.
    Not really. There isn't (as far as we know) anything "outside our perceived dimensions."

    Observation and detection are the same thing.
    Yep.

    Entanglement is the state of two or more particles sharing the same probability wave and its collapse is a single simultaneous event with multiple outcomes / locations.
    Yes(-ish).

    Space and time are not fundamental. They are emergent from a more fundamental timeless reality.
    Possibly. There are many theories based around that idea.

    The Many-Worlds Theory is redundant.
    It is not a theory. It is an interpretation. I hope you know the difference.

    So most of your conclusions here are pretty uncontroversial.


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