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  1. #1 I have a theory, and i would really appreciate any criticism or discussion 
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    Well, i have had this idea in my head for a long time now....
    What if our perception of time, is just an effect of us movingthrough space at a very high speed....
    maybe in other parts of the universe which may move around at a different rate, time progresses differently, maybe at some places its progression is negligible!
    my point is, what if time is just an illusion caused by our galaxy maving through space at a very very high speed, a speed close to that of light...
    it has been proven that high speeds can cause time to move faster, so i dont think my theory is implausible...
    any ideas?


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    Quote Originally Posted by DhwajSinghal View Post
    Well, i have had this idea in my head for a long time now....
    What if our perception of time, is just an effect of us movingthrough space at a very high speed....
    maybe in other parts of the universe which may move around at a different rate, time progresses differently, maybe at some places its progression is negligible!
    my point is, what if time is just an illusion caused by our galaxy maving through space at a very very high speed, a speed close to that of light...
    it has been proven that high speeds can cause time to move faster, so i dont think my theory is implausible...
    any ideas?

    Moving "at high speed" with respect to what?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Roark View Post
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    Well, i have had this idea in my head for a long time now....
    What if our perception of time, is just an effect of us movingthrough space at a very high speed....
    maybe in other parts of the universe which may move around at a different rate, time progresses differently, maybe at some places its progression is negligible!
    my point is, what if time is just an illusion caused by our galaxy maving through space at a very very high speed, a speed close to that of light...
    it has been proven that high speeds can cause time to move faster, so i dont think my theory is implausible...
    any ideas?

    Moving "at high speed" with respect to what?
    Maybe a central region in the universe which could be considered to be at an absolute zero velocity, ie at that point time as we know it, would not exist
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    Quote Originally Posted by DhwajSinghal View Post
    Maybe a central region in the universe which could be considered to be at an absolute zero velocity, ie at that point time as we know it, would not exist
    There's no such thing as "absolute zero velocity", except with reference to something else.

    it has been proven that high speeds can cause time to move faster
    Uh, what?

    so i dont think my theory is implausible...
    It's not a theory, it's an unsupported guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
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    Maybe a central region in the universe which could be considered to be at an absolute zero velocity, ie at that point time as we know it, would not exist
    There's no such thing as "absolute zero velocity", except with reference to something else.

    it has been proven that high speeds can cause time to move faster
    Uh, what?

    so i dont think my theory is implausible...
    It's not a theory, it's an unsupported guess.
    Im still a student, so im no expert, but isnt there something called time dilation? I apologise if i was implicit, but that was what i was referring to when i said that high speeds can make time go faster....but thanks anyways Dywyddyr
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    Quote Originally Posted by DhwajSinghal View Post
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    Maybe a central region in the universe which could be considered to be at an absolute zero velocity, ie at that point time as we know it, would not exist
    There's no such thing as "absolute zero velocity", except with reference to something else.

    it has been proven that high speeds can cause time to move faster
    Uh, what?

    so i dont think my theory is implausible...
    It's not a theory, it's an unsupported guess.
    Im still a student, so im no expert, but isnt there something called time dilation? I apologise if i was implicit, but that was what i was referring to when i said that high speeds can make time go faster....but thanks anyways Dywyddyr
    Time dilation with respect to what? Please do not say the center of the universe, there is no such thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DhwajSinghal View Post
    but isnt there something called time dilation?
    There is.
    Ever wondered why it's called time dilation?
    Because (to an outside observer) the time of a fast-moving object "stretches". I.e. slows down, not speeds up.
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    Hello, and welcome.

    Quote Originally Posted by DhwajSinghal View Post
    ...so i dont think my theory is implausible.
    Just a bit of advice to help avoid some conflict.
    People on this site prefer to stick to the scientific definition of 'theory':
    "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation."
    Scientific theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    He's some further reading if you are interested:
    "Just a Theory": 7 Misused Science Words - Scientific American

    Hope this helps.
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    Welcome to the forum Dhwaj!

    The problem with this sub-forum is its title: Personal Theories & Alternative Ideas

    Since this is a science forum, the "Personal Theories" part should be removed and replaced with "Conjectures" or just left off completely. Because, as noted in previous posts in this thread (and hundreds of times in other threads) there aren't going to be any scientific "theories" in this section -- just conjecture -- and usually unsupported at that.
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    If time is just an illusion, then why isn't speed an illusion as well? It's just the distance divided by time.
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    what if time is just an illusion caused by our galaxy maving through space at a very very high speed, a speed close to that of light...
    No it isn't moving that fast. Our galaxy is moving at a million miles an hour, no where close to the speed of light.

    "These measurements, confirmed by the Cosmic Background Explorer satellite in 1989 and 1990, suggest that our galaxy and its neighbors, the so-called Local Group, are moving at 600 kilometers per second (1.34 million miles per hour) in the direction of the constellation Hydra"
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    Quote Originally Posted by DhwajSinghal View Post
    Well, i have had this idea in my head for a long time now....
    What if our perception of time, is just an effect of us movingthrough space at a very high speed....
    maybe in other parts of the universe which may move around at a different rate, time progresses differently, maybe at some places its progression is negligible!
    my point is, what if time is just an illusion caused by our galaxy maving through space at a very very high speed, a speed close to that of light...
    it has been proven that high speeds can cause time to move faster, so i dont think my theory is implausible...
    any ideas?
    There's an episode of Star Trek:Voyager called 'Blink of an Eye' that deals with this situation, but on a planetary scale. Please click the link to read an IMDb synopsis (with spoiler!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    Our galaxy is moving at a million miles an hour . . .
    As asked before to the OP, relative to what?

    Just stating a speed (or velocity if direction is implied) is meaningless on its own. Unless of course we are talking about the speed of some Earth-bound vehicle -- then the frame of reference is assumed. Or the speed of light, a constant to anyone in any frame of reference.
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    well this is just my conjector but, i always thought that time was constant but if it is not, i.e. time speeds up at speeds faster than light, then it stands to reason that there could be an opposite end of the spectrom. i think this is what the original question was asking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucknorium View Post
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    Our galaxy is moving at a million miles an hour . . .
    As asked before to the OP, relative to what?

    Just stating a speed (or velocity if direction is implied) is meaningless on its own. Unless of course we are talking about the speed of some Earth-bound vehicle -- then the frame of reference is assumed. Or the speed of light, a constant to anyone in any frame of reference.

    As we all know, a galaxy is a massive ensemble of hundreds of millions of stars. The galaxy where we live in today is called the Milky Way. The name itself came from the ancient Greek galaxies kyklos, or ring of milk, due to its faint milky appearance. Our Milky Way is a large spiral galaxy. Its diameter is at least 100,000 light-years, and may contain as many as 200 billions stars today.

    Ever since four hundred years ago the settlement that the Earth is moving about the sun, and one hundred and fifty years ago that the sun is moving about the center of the Galaxy, it shouldn't be surprising if we learned that the Galaxy is also moving. The Milky Way is part of a cluster of galaxies call the Local Group. Two chief members are the Milky Way and the Andromeda galaxy, the Andromeda galaxy is known to contain at least 300 billion stars. We can presume that in every cluster of galaxies, the individual galaxy itself move about some sort of center of gravity. However, how do the clusters themselves move?

    In 1928, an American astronomer Milton La Salle Humason found a galaxy that was receding at a speed of 3,800 km/s, and by 1936, when he observed the same galaxy again, he found it receding at a speed of 40,000 km/s. It didn't make any sense that the galaxies be receding from us and yet the recessions would be faster as they get farther way from each other. "Was there something special about our galaxy? Did it repel other galaxies, and did this repulsion grow stronger with distance?

    If our galaxy exerted a repulsive force, that force should be felt with the local groups, however it wasn't. Furthermore, a repulsive force that grew stronger with distance is highly unlikely. For example, as we've learned in the past, a magnetic pole can repel another magnetic pole like itself, and an electric charge can repel another electric charge like itself, but in each of the cases, the repulsion weakens with the increase of distance. Hubble, an American astronomer, concluded in 1929 that the "entire universe was steadily expanding"and that the galaxies were moving apart from one another as part of this expansion and not because of any repulsive force. In addition, in 1916, Albert Einstein as part of his general theory of relativity, had prepared a set of equations that were intended to describe the properties of the universe as a whole, that showed that the universe would have to be expanding.

    In conclusion, galaxies experience neutral attractions on one other. Due to relativity, the speed of the Milky Way varies when compared with different objects in space. For example, I have learned from my research that the Milky Way and Andromeda galaxy are approaching each other with a speed of about 130 km/s, however the collision of these two galaxies will not occur for about 5 billion years (AstroFile). Another result I found was that our galaxy and neighbors are moving at 600 km/s in the direction of the constellation Hydra (Scientific American). Finally, I found that the Milky Way moves through space within the cluster of galaxies it is a member of, and this cluster in turn moves through space towards yet another larger cluster of galaxies off in the direction of the constellation Virgo. This speed is approximately 300 km/s (Ask the Space Scientist). Therefore, the speed of the Milky Way galaxy is not a single number, its value is relative to the speed of other objects.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
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    Our galaxy is moving at a million miles an hour . . .
    As asked before to the OP, relative to what?

    Just stating a speed (or velocity if direction is implied) is meaningless on its own. Unless of course we are talking about the speed of some Earth-bound vehicle -- then the frame of reference is assumed. Or the speed of light, a constant to anyone in any frame of reference.
    Therefore, the speed of the Milky Way galaxy is not a single number, its value is relative to the speed of other objects.
    I knew that. So, why did you pick the "million miles per hour" value? I'm just curious.

    There are two considerations here:

    1) galaxies traveling through space and
    2) space expanding carrying the galaxies with it.
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    I knew that. So, why did you pick the "million miles per hour" value? I'm just curious.
    Because the post I quoted said the speed was 1.3 million miles re hour is why and that post is done by a PHD in Astronomy not me. If you read the document I posted it says " Another result I found was that our galaxy and neighbors are moving at 600 km/s".
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    Another result I found was that our galaxy and neighbors are moving at 600 km/s.
    Once again: relative to what? Stating a speed without a frame of reference is useless. Even supplying the direction (velocity) is useless.
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    Frstly i'd like to correct myself...its not a theory...just a hypothesis
    secondly maybe picking an arbitrary reference frame would help....for example to an observer on earth, time is 'passing' at the rate of one second per earth second. This way, with respect to time rate on earth, we can have a frame of reference
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