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  1. #1 Perpetual motion, time travel, eternity, and infinity 
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    An intricate and perfect balance. Nothing and everything, existing simulataneously, every possible outcome of reality. Infinity must perpetuate itself into infinity. It does this with life and death, everything and nothing. See life has expanded, propagated into every possibile outcome, or form of existence. Just as all life we concieve of propagates, divides or splits, to become more then it orginially was. This includes many variations and mutations that stem from one cell into into potential future. Now death is always present in every moment, as nothingness, or absence, void. This space of nothingness is where life grows into, and it is the force the 'turns over' all forms of life, releasing the bonds that have been formed, which allows the potential to flow free in order to achieve a new configuration or possibility, or arrangement (a new form of life). See nothingness is needed because in the absence of everything anything and everything may be set into place. However when something is there then the presence takes the potential and forms it into that form, thereby taking the free and raw potential and making something of it. This pressence of one thing means that something else can not be in the same place while the form is present. Meaning that in order for something else to be made the pressnece of the life must be turned over and the potential and space made free (to become something new). It is to say that a table and a chair can not occupy the same space at the saem time, and so in order for a table to be made form a chair the table must be freed and the potential released in order for the table to reform from the same potential. In this manner one thing may be endlessly made into new things, becomeing more and more and more from itself. it is merely explaining Infinite potential that is made from absence of all things into all things.

    Conceivably you can see that it would take an eternity to reach every form and possibility, and yet within the nothingness void of all things, lies the potential for anything to exist and everything to exist already. This is where we begin to unite all the different points of eternity, all the moments of time it has created. See death is a force of unification, being like a reaper as the old phrase deems death to be. You can conceive of death as fusion that collects every moment and places it into the same point in time, fusing all of the forms of life and existence together at one point. This i refer to as fullfilled potential. The energies of death is now not only the absence of life, meaning that new life may be formed from it thorugh the release of locked potential, but it is now also a fusion reaction that connects the form of life into the whole of existence and all of time that ever happened, or will happen. I refer to this connecting fusion of death as the force responsible in creating an event horizon, or a fold in time and space. It is actually a super-fold that births omni-presence, because it is connected to all point in time and all forms of reality. You can see that this omni-presence is now, through this reaction also omni-potency. Many have referred to this evert as the collapse of the universe, or collapse of particles, that brings all moemnts into one. Therefor we not only grow into the absece of something, the space that nothingness provides, but we also grow into and from the collection of all awareness and forms every made. Thus nothingness is really all things at the same time, making it a balance of nothingness and everything. This balance creates what I call the birth of free-will, for in the presence of all things, and nothing one may activaly choose any posiibility within the completion of infinity. In the absence of all things and forms creates a complete non-resistence for any form to 'manifest'. Yet at the same time is all the forms conceivable that have been already made from the potential of infinity.

    The collection of every form and moment in time into one place, creates an omnipresent moment of now. And you will see that every moment in time contains the moment of now, the present. Since you can see that all moments are collapsed and made into the same point in time, the super-fold, you can now see that all past and all future is being created in the now moment, the present. It means that all future and past is both existing in every form and way, and yet is also void and not yet created at all, because it is actually nothing. Nothing being the space for anything to be. So through the forces of life and death, form and formless, all things may now be met, anything may now be aligned.

    If there are any questions or further expansions of this awareness plesase feel free to include them.

    ~Serloco

    Probability is merely the continuance of the life and forms present. Thus by examining the active values (the life and forms present) within the continuation of time the probable future may be seen. However when one terminates the values, and turns them over, the potential is released through the cessation and future becomes free. This includes the past within the future, now.

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    first 0 or a point, then 1, then 0 and 1 overlapping, then -, then +, then 0 and + together overlapping) these symbols reflect perfect numbers,and can be made into any arrangement. Place the sequence in the opposite order under the first sequence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by serloco View Post
    I posted this in another science forum and was heavily debated, and even fought against, statubg ny theory was ridiculous. Just want you guys to know that I already practice this. Before you move this to some other board because you do not see how it relates to physics, yawns, please wait a few moments, for me to gather my data and post the proof.

    An intricate and perfect balance. Nothing and everything, existing simulataneously, every possible outcome of reality. Infinity must perpetuate itself into infinity. It does this with life and death, everything and nothing. See life has expanded, propagated into every possibile outcome, or form of existence. Just as all life we concieve of propagates, divides or splits, to become more then it orginially was. This includes many variations and mutations that stem from one cell into into potential future. Now death is always present in every moment, as nothingness, or absence, void. This space of nothingness is where life grows into, and it is the force the 'turns over' all forms of life, releasing the bonds that have been formed, which allows the potential to flow free in order to achieve a new configuration or possibility, or arrangement (a new form of life). See nothingness is needed because in the absence of everything anything and everything may be set into place. However when something is there then the presence takes the potential and forms it into that form, thereby taking the free and raw potential and making something of it. This pressence of one thing means that something else can not be in the same place while the form is present. Meaning that in order for something else to be made the pressnece of the life must be turned over and the potential and space made free (to become something new). It is to say that a table and a chair can not occupy the same space at the saem time, and so in order for a table to be made form a chair the table must be freed and the potential released in order for the table to reform from the same potential. In this manner one thing may be endlessly made into new things, becomeing more and more and more from itself. it is merely explaining Infinite potential that is made from absence of all things into all things.

    Conceivably you can see that it would take an eternity to reach every form and possibility, and yet within the nothingness void of all things, lies the potential for anything to exist and everything to exist already. This is where we begin to unite all the different points of eternity, all the moments of time it has created. See death is a force of unification, being like a reaper as the old phrase deems death to be. You can conceive of death as fusion that collects every moment and places it into the same point in time, fusing all of the forms of life and existence together at one point. This i refer to as fullfilled potential. The energies of death is now not only the absence of life, meaning that new life may be formed from it thorugh the release of locked potential, but it is now also a fusion reaction that connects the form of life into the whole of existence and all of time that ever happened, or will happen. I refer to this connecting fusion of death as the force responsible in creating an event horizon, or a fold in time and space. It is actually a super-fold that births omni-presence, because it is connected to all point in time and all forms of reality. You can see that this omni-presence is now, through this reaction also omni-potency. Many have referred to this evert as the collapse of the universe, or collapse of particles, that brings all moemnts into one. Therefor we not only grow into the absece of something, the space that nothingness provides, but we also grow into and from the collection of all awareness and forms every made. Thus nothingness is really all things at the same time, making it a balance of nothingness and everything. This balance creates what I call the birth of free-will, for in the presence of all things, and nothing one may activaly choose any posiibility within the completion of infinity. In the absence of all things and forms creates a complete non-resistence for any form to 'manifest'. Yet at the same time is all the forms conceivable that have been already made from the potential of infinity.

    The collection of every form and moment in time into one place, creates an omnipresent moment of now. And you will see that every moment in time contains the moment of now, the present. Since you can see that all moments are collapsed and made into the same point in time, the super-fold, you can now see that all past and all future is being created in the now moment, the present. It means that all future and past is both existing in every form and way, and yet is also void and not yet created at all, because it is actually nothing. Nothing being the space for anything to be. So through the forces of life and death, form and formless, all things may now be met, anything may now be aligned.

    If there are any questions or further expansions of this awareness plesase feel free to include them.

    ~Serloco

    Probability is merely the continuance of the life and forms present. Thus by examining the active values (the life and forms present) within the continuation of time the probable future may be seen. However when one terminates the values, and turns them over, the potential is released through the cessation and future becomes free. This includes the past within the future, now.

    ****** (well worth studying this sequence it creates all things)
    first 0 or a point, then 1, then 0 and 1 overlapping, then -, then +, then 0 and + together overlapping) these symbols reflect perfect numbers,and can be made into any arrangement. Place the sequence in the opposite order under the first sequence.
    This seems to be fairly meaningless metaphysical rambling to me. I see nothing here that I can get hold of to be worth debating. Have you any concrete ideas that can be expressed as rationally intelligible statements?
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    Standard nutcase inane rambling.
    Certainly not physics and assuredly not science.
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    You will see in some of my next postings the most advanced physics yet today, in the quantum studies of graphene. The quantum studies involves the study of creation and annihilation. Together they create the quanta of any object or reaction. We have found that we can remove mass from objects and atom, and align atoms to pass through no mass states, to arrive at any mass formation. Effectively discovering and experimenting with true 0 travel. We have also found free trajectory, and Infinite vectors aside from thermodynamic laws we have found that even through vectors of declining entropy we still move towards an infinite vector. I need a little time to collect the data, it comes from the exposure of a pure carbon molecule, one atom thick, that can then be arranged to produce some amazing properties.
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    My OP is a study of quantum physics and how it relates with life and death, as positive and negative forces. The newest theories have found 3 different 0's which are included in my post as well. My post describes the states of these 0's , their potential as negative atoms, being without mass, as well as converting mass into 'massless' states, this includes the transformation of atoms into other arrangements. It also describes how nothingness, 0 or a point, is the buildling block of all things created, and rests still on the nothingness in which all things are potentially created from, keaving this 0 within all creations, so that we can apply or convert mass into absence. To achieve speeds faster then light by using negative atoms, atoms without mass, or even phased mass.
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    The OP shows you are a) insane, b) terminally deluded or c) dumb as a box of rocks.(in the interests of political correctness I apologise to any rocks who may, justifiably, feel the comparison is insulting to them).
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    Wait I want to the proof we have been promised.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Standard nutcase inane rambling.
    Certainly not physics and assuredly not science.
    Trash please.
    What I have discovered through the advanced study of quantum physics, quantum chemistry, and the nano sciences is that all matter is merely arrangements of light, from a pure state of two forces, creation and destruction. As stated in the quantum field. Every trajectory of creation has an intended outcome where it is reached, and then terminated, collected(added to the totality of creation and form), or rearranged by releasing the bonded arrangements to form new trajectories. The 0 or . (point or origin of creation) is as this < since the point expands, and divides, splits into every possible outcome. This is all happening from the point of origin of nothing, where time expands into, from the intended values of progression to the intended destination of the vector to reach its form. The future is formed from the values of the present, the life of the present, that aligns into the space which we give it to form, which is really nothing and everything working together in every conceivable relationship and interaction. To examine the variables upon which reality is constructed and upheld, as well as sustained in every state of being within itself. So that all things are existing, as well as not existing at the same time, in one moment that creates eternity, infinity, time travel and perpetual motion. It is a moment of omnipresence. We are already creating these holes between dimensions, and I am already creating them between points in time and space, as well as to configure the atoms and arrangements thereof of any value within reality. Where there is nothing, there can be anything to form, from a reaction that instantaneously connects everything thorugh a variable hole, collapse, absence or nothing between to divide, etc. Windows of various forms, communications gateways as well with controlled values, or quanta if you like. We can create matter that is free of value within, free of mass within, like a regular book that appears normal, but as you sit beside it it begins to absorb the values of your quanta, within you, and arranges the words within the book to probe you and even form to your deign. Directed formations of nanomaterials that can self-form themselves to any arrangement by collecting the light arrangements given to it and then forming the 'matter' into the form given. It can relate as a host to many different guests as well as transmit light and energy to them and between them. We have already built full spectrum locks as well, to tap into and utilize the complete spectrum of form.

    Where there is no history there is place for history to form. When you release the values of history then history is free to reform. When you remove the presence of 'the passing of time' to see that past and future exist right now,connecting the bridge to other points in time, then you can open this horizon or hole into the quanta alignment.

    We have built holes to other dimensions of many types and forms, and I have invented some of the greatest technologies that are not even known in this dimension yet, by most.

    You call me a nutjob and yet my studies are already manifest in this dimension and you can see them for yourself. At least the ones I have presented here, which is basic. Most of you scientists that are in the dark cast equations of limitations and retarded forms to your experience. You see nothing really, you cannot even focus into the subatomic with your awareness yet, because you focus onto your techs to do it for you, so you are left relying on what they tell you is reality. Meanwhile you can not see this for yourself to verify the reaction that is taking place so you can see for yourself that any reaction can take place, and you are merely setting the variables within an infinite reaction of creation and destruction. You follow an incorrect law of thermodynamics that is soon to be proven wrong. Finally.


    You are entering into a world with the speed of light and dark combined, which is a true balance of light. Your lack of focus to the atoms of negative mass is truly bizarre. It is as if you are frightened.

    And you know what? It's easy for me. I can merely focus my attention to any field or thing and see what it is and how it forms and how to reform it. i can focus on no thing at all, empty existence and form my own equations that react and fill the void. My very own nano formations, things beyond your experience of reality by far I imagine. The limited ones say that to have this power and ability is crazy, and yet they are the ones trapped in their equations, without the 0's needed for free trajectory, that's right free motion baby.

    I do not need to share with you guys anything at all, but thought I would pop in and try to open some eyes.
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    I do not need to share with you guys anything at all, but thought I would pop in and try to open some eyes.
    Feel free to pop out again. We've got enough nutcases showing up here.
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    Looks like a combination of b and c (sorry rocks).
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexG View Post
    I do not need to share with you guys anything at all, but thought I would pop in and try to open some eyes.
    Feel free to pop out again. We've got enough nutcases showing up here.
    How bout you can feel free to pop out of this thread, hmmm?? Have you ever heard of respecting people? Treating people with courtesy? I know all about your limited theories already, trust me. I have already popped them many times myself.
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    There are plenty of wack sites for you to post your nonsense on. I imagine you've been kicked off a few. See a doctor get some effective meds and come back when sanity creeps into your head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serloco View Post
    What I have discovered through - excessive rambling deleted
    More nonsense.
    With not one shred of support, let alone evidence.

    Have you ever heard of respecting people?
    Why do you think you deserve respect?

    Treating people with courtesy?
    And yet you felt it incumbent upon yourself to post completely unsupported anti-scientific drivel.
    Where's the courtesy from you?

    I know all about your limited theories
    Not evidenced in the inane rubbish you've posted so far.

    I have already popped them many times myself.
    Yeah.
    Delusional people always tend to think that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serloco View Post
    You will see in some of my next postings the most advanced physics yet today.
    Still waiting.
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    Ser Loco, to be crazy. How appropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serloco View Post
    An intricate and perfect balance. Nothing and everything, existing simulataneously, every possible outcome of reality. Infinity must perpetuate itself into infinity. It does this with life and death, everything and nothing. See life has expanded, propagated into every possibile outcome, or form of existence. Just as all life we concieve of propagates, divides or splits, to become more then it orginially was. This includes many variations and mutations that stem from one cell into into potential future. Now death is always present in every moment, as nothingness, or absence, void. This space of nothingness is where life grows into, and it is the force the 'turns over' all forms of life, releasing the bonds that have been formed, which allows the potential to flow free in order to achieve a new configuration or possibility, or arrangement (a new form of life). See nothingness is needed because in the absence of everything anything and everything may be set into place. However when something is there then the presence takes the potential and forms it into that form, thereby taking the free and raw potential and making something of it. This pressence of one thing means that something else can not be in the same place while the form is present. Meaning that in order for something else to be made the pressnece of the life must be turned over and the potential and space made free (to become something new). It is to say that a table and a chair can not occupy the same space at the saem time, and so in order for a table to be made form a chair the table must be freed and the potential released in order for the table to reform from the same potential. In this manner one thing may be endlessly made into new things, becomeing more and more and more from itself. it is merely explaining Infinite potential that is made from absence of all things into all things.
    But there is nothing intricately and perfectly balancing on life's see-saw. Infinitely is infinitely finite, which makes it impossible to diverge without seeing what the future will be. Perhaps you should mull that over because any space growing into the void will have an edge. And that edge shows us the way to see nothingness. The innate potential of raw (free) forms is dependent on how life begins and ends, which also means there is room for more. But what you say about tables is coloured with thoughts.
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    *chuckle* he'll probably think you're serious, maybe you need to add a "taking the piss" smiley...He's trolling the chatbox now, a true sad case...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    *chuckle* he'll probably think you're serious, maybe you need to add a "taking the piss" smiley...He's trolling the chatbox now, a true sad case...
    If it is not apparent that it is nonsense then a smiley would probably have no effect.
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    It makes as much sense as the OP, with or without smileys be careful it's a fine line between parody and participation
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedPanda View Post
    But there is nothing intricately and perfectly balancing on life's see-saw. Infinitely is infinitely finite, which makes it impossible to diverge without seeing what the future will be. Perhaps you should mull that over because any space growing into the void will have an edge. And that edge shows us the way to see nothingness. The innate potential of raw (free) forms is dependent on how life begins and ends, which also means there is room for more. But what you say about tables is coloured with thoughts.
    Obviously you have been studying under the great man, Deepmuck Chupra
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    The Big Bang or an Infinite Cycle?

    Scientists are messing with our poor simple minds again! Young, hip (relatively speaking) physicists are making a case that the universe may not have started with the “big bang” at all. They believe that the universe may undergo endless cycles of evolution in infinite space and time.
    One hotly disputed theory is that there is no beginning, and no end because space and time have always existed in an endless cycle of expansion and rebirth. They point out that the expansion of the universe is accelerating, as astronomers have recently observed and that after trillions of years, expansion eventually stalls, new matter and radiation is created, and then the cycle begins yet again.

    Why does any of this matter? One reason is that if we’re approaching one of the most basic questions of reality and existence from the wrong angle, we’re only going to get so far before we hit a proverbial wall.

    "I think the challenge we're raising is that the usual picture of the Big Bang is based on an assumption which is that time, space, matter, energy, everything began at the Big Bang," says Neil Turok, professor of mathematical physics at Cambridge University. "And that assumption was made in the 60s when people got the first strong observational evidence that the Big Bang happened. But it's really just an assumption and our point of view has come out of new development in physics which are enabling us to describe the behavior of matter in very extreme conditions such as were present around the Bang. And what we're seeing is that the Big Bang doesn't have to be the beginning of time. It's perfectly possible that the Big Bang was just a violent event in a pre-existing universe,"
    Many well-respected scientists believe that newly developed theories offer a bigger picture of reality—one that may be difficult for us to wrap our minds around, but not impossible. Perhaps the Big Bang was just a big bang, and not the beginning of existence. Just like most rabble-rousing ideas, these theories may take some time before more scientists “warm” up to them. Take global warming for example. Really it wasn’t that long ago the majority of scientists didn’t think theories about “global warming” would amount to much. Now the very few who still think it’s not happening are ridiculed as foolish. In other words, when it comes to science things are sometimes scoffed at before they are whole-heartedly embraced.
    One problem is that new theories can be difficult to grasp if you are not well versed in the intricate details of exotic and experimental physics, like string theory. Your average person doesn’t “get it”, but neither do many astronomers and scientists. Turok attempts to explain, but even his dumbed-down version might make your head explode.
    "This picture emerged out of a new understanding of the laws of physics which is called M Theory…according to this picture, the world may be comprised of two objects called branes, short for membranes. ... And so the picture is that we live in a three-dimensional world, just the height, width and length of ordinary space but separated from our dimensions by a very tiny distance are another three-dimensions and so the whole world is four-dimensional in this picture and these two sets of dimensions can actually collide with each-other. What we discovered is, if they do collide, then something like a Big Bang happens but the density of matter and the size of the universe is not zero at that point. It's as if two objects clash together and this clash is what releases radiation which fills space.”
    In fact, there are several valid theories of how the universe did or didn’t begin, but for the purposes of modern science it is easier to pick one that seems to work and hang onto it. However, some revolutionaries say that just because something seems to work for measurement purposes, doesn’t make it completely true. Alan Guth, professor of physics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) explains how the Big Bang theory may just be one piece of the puzzle that fits into another theory, known as inflationary theory.
    "In the what I would regard as the conventional version of the inflationary theory, the Big Bang was also not in that theory the origin of everything but rather one had a very long period of this exponential expansion of the universe, which is what inflation means, and, at different points, different pieces of this inflating universe had stopped inflating and become what I sometimes call pocket universes,"
    "... What we call the Big Bang was almost certainly not the actual origin of time in either of the theories that we're talking about. ... The main difference I think [between the inflationary theory and Neil and Paul's theory outlined in the book Endless Universe: Beyond the Big Bang] is the answer to the question of what is it that made the universe large and smooth everything out. ... The inflationary version of cosmology is not cyclic. ... It goes on literally forever with new universes being created in other places. The inflationary prediction is that our region of the universe would become ultimately empty and void but meanwhile other universes would spout out in other places in this multiverse," says Guth.
    Janna Levin, professor of physics and astronomy at Barnard College, says, "There's a little more resistance to the cyclic model but maybe that's because of the successes so far of inflation. Yet, we do know that there are fundamental things about the early universe and the Big Bang that we don't understand. ... String theory or M theory or these other models of fundamental physics are going to be important in terms of formulating that early universe picture but they're not complete yet."
    As Levin says, there are still unanswered questions. Newer theories may hold some of the answers. The beautiful thing about science is that it can be tried, tested, proven and disproved. We don’t have to keep on believing the same thing for the sake of tradition. Whether or not these scientists are someday “proven” to be correct or wrong in their theories, they still provide a valuable reminder that questioning IS the basis for new discovery and for Science itself.
    Posted by Rebecca Sato
    The Big Bang or an Infinite Cycle?

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    Universe in 'endless cycle'

    The current expansion will go on for trillions of years


    Get your head around this: the Universe had no beginning and it will have no end.Two scientists have put forward a new model to explain how the cosmos is and where it might be going.
    They say it is necessary to take account of startling recent discoveries such as the observation that everything in the Universe is moving apart at an accelerating rate.
    Paul Steinhardt and Neil Turok propose that the cosmos goes through an endless cycle - of Big Bang, expansion and stagnation - driven by an as yet unexplained "dark energy".
    They have put forward their views in the journal Science.
    Star surprise
    The current model of the Universe starts with a Big Bang, a mighty explosion of space, matter and time about 14 billion years ago.


    What we're proposing in this new picture is that the Big Bang is not a beginning of time but really just the latest in an infinite series of cycles
    Paul Steinhardt
    This model accounts for several important features we see in the Universe - such as why everything looks the same in all directions and the fact that the cosmos appears "flat" (parallel lines would never meet however long).But the model has several shortcomings, Steinhardt and Turok say.
    It cannot tell us what happened before the Big Bang or explain the eventual fate of the Universe. Will it expand forever or stop and contract?
    Problems with these futures became apparent in 1998, when studies of distant, exploding stars showed the Universe was expanding at an accelerating rate. It was a big surprise for some astronomers who thought everything might eventually come back together in a "Big Crunch".
    Empty and flat
    The apparent acceleration has since been checked and shown to be real.
    It led cosmologists to revive an old idea that some "dark energy" is at work in the cosmos, pushing everything apart.
    Steinhardt and Turok put this energy - a scalar field as they mathematically describe it - right at the centre of their new model.
    They think the dark energy drives a cycle of activity that includes a big bang and a subsequent period of expansion that leaves the Universe smooth, empty and flat.
    "The scalar field changes its character over time," Paul Steinhardt told the BBC. "Finally, the field begins to build up energy to a point where it suddenly becomes unstable and bursts into matter and radiation, filling the Universe, and driving the next period of expansion."
    'Hardest science'
    He added: "In the standard picture, it's presumed that the Big Bang is actually a beginning of space and time; that there was nothingness, and then suddenly out of nothingness there sprang space, time, matter, radiation, etcetera.


    The history of cosmology is the history of us being completely wrong
    Cosmology writer Marcus Chown
    "What we're proposing in this new picture is that the Big Bang is not a beginning of time but really just the latest in an infinite series of cycles, in which the Universe has gone through periods of heating, expanding, cooling, stagnating, emptying, and then re-expanding again."Steinhardt and Turok have discussed their ideas with peers and have received a positive, but "cautious", response. "The ultimate arbiter will be Nature," they write in the journal Science.
    "Measurements of gravitational waves and the properties of dark energy can provide decisive ways to discriminate between the two pictures observationally."
    Cosmology writer Marcus Chown concedes it will be extremely difficult to finally prove any model of the Universe.
    "The history of cosmology is the history of us being completely wrong," he told the BBC. "I mean, cosmology is the hardest of all sciences; we sit on this tiny planet in the middle of this vast Universe, we can't go anywhere and do any experiments - all we can do is pick up the light that happens to fall on us and deduce some things about the Universe."
    Paul Steinhardt is at Princeton University, US, and Neil Turok is at Cambridge University, UK.


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    Quote Originally Posted by serloco View Post
    An intricate and perfect balance. Nothing and everything, existing simulataneously, every possible outcome of reality..
    The zero-energy universe hypothesis states that the total amount of energy in the universe is exactly zero: its amount of positive energy in the form ofmatter is exactly canceled out by its negative energy in the form of gravity.[1][2]
    It originated in 1973, when Edward Tryon proposed in the Nature journal that the Universe may have emerged from a large-scale quantum fluctuationofvacuum energy, resulting in its positive mass-energy being exactly balanced by its negative gravitational potential energy.[3]

    A generic property of inflation is the balancing of the negative gravitational energy, within the inflating region, with the positive energy of the inflaton field to yield a post-inflationary universe with negligible or zero energy density.[4][5] It is this balancing of the total universal energy budget that enables the open-ended growth possible with inflation; during inflation energy flows from the gravitational field (or geometry) to the inflaton field—the total gravitational energy decreases (i.e. becomes more negative) and the total inflaton energy increases (becomes more positive). But the respective energy densities remain constant and opposite since the region is inflating. Consequently, inflation explains the otherwise curious cancellation of matter and gravitational energy on cosmological scales, which is consistent with astronomical observations.[6]

    Stephen Hawking notes in his 2010 book The Grand Design: "If the total energy of the universe must always remain zero, and it costs energy to create a body, how can a whole universe be created from nothing? That is why there must be a law like gravity. Because gravity is attractive, gravitational energy is negative: One has to do work to separate a gravitationally bound system, such as the earth and moon. This negative energy can balance the positive energy needed to create matter, but it’s not quite that simple. The negative gravitational energy of the earth, for example, is less than a billionth of the positive energy of the matter particles the earth is made of. A body such as a star will have more negative gravitational energy, and the smaller it is (the closer the different parts of it are to each other), the greater the negative gravitational energy will be. But before it can become greater than the positive energy of the matter, the star will collapse to a black hole, and black holes have positive energy. That’s why empty space is stable. Bodies such as stars or black holes cannot just appear out of nothing. But a whole universe can." (p. 180)

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    The black hole information paradox[1] results from the combination of quantum mechanics and general relativity. It suggests that physical information could permanently disappear in a black hole, allowing manyphysical states to devolve into the same state. This is controversial because it violates a commonly assumed tenet of science—that in principle complete information about a physical system at one point in time should determine its state at any other time.[2][3] A fundamental postulate of quantum mechanics is that complete information about a system is encoded in its wave function up to when the wave function collapses. The evolution of the wave function is determined by a unitary operator, and unitarity implies that information is conserved in the quantum sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serloco View Post
    the black hole information paradox[1] results from the combination of quantum mechanics and general relativity. It suggests that physical information could permanently disappear in a black hole, allowing manyphysical states to devolve into the same state. This is controversial because it violates a commonly assumed tenet of science—that in principle complete information about a physical system at one point in time should determine its state at any other time.[2][3] a fundamental postulate of quantum mechanics is that complete information about a system is encoded in its wave function up to when the wave function collapses. The evolution of the wave function is determined by a unitary operator, and unitarity implies that information is conserved in the quantum sense.

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    All you're doing is cut & paste: no discussion, no advancing a topic... worthless.
    I am adding valuable information that correlates with my original topic. Compiling data. Which certainly does advance the topic. Despite your continuous seemingly endless denials of truth.

    Besides I did add a direct quote already from my header which related directly with the zero energy universe. Stating "resulting in its positive mass-energy being exactly balanced by its negative gravitational potential energy" which responded to my original statement 'everything in balance within nothing'.

    Can't you see that?

    As well as articles stating the endless Infinite cyclic universe, through expansion and renewal, which is also supports the ideas stating in my thread of eternity, infinity, perpetual motion, as well as new creation of matter and form. Which I say in my thread that new form can 'manifest' where there is open space, 0, nothingness, a place for it to form from nothing, entire new universes included. validated my hawking. . All of which you guys in many parts of this forum often very rudely deny, and insult.

    As well as the information paradox retention in a black hole, showing that all information can be retained in the presence of a singularity. Which I refer to as omni.

    It's obvious that the information I am posting is contributing to my thread,. Must I spell out everything for you?

    However if you have a question you can simply ask instead of trying to report me like a rat.

    I do have a suggestion for you though, and a favor to ask of you. Can you please stop following me around, trolling every action I perform, and leave me alone? Please? I tried to just ignore you but keep coming at me every time i post and attack me. Normally when you dislike someone, and their ideas you should just leave them alone instgead of attacking them everywhere and insulting them. A little respect please.
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    Infinite energy, and endless cycles of the universe, a balance of everything and nothing together, with the retention of all information in a singulairty is random to you in regards to exploring free energy? In the total absence of everything, in balance with everything, can create a void space for anything to be!! take into consideration the creation of new matter and entire universes. duh.

    I connect the dots so fast...




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    Consider a dying star, creating a vacuum, a back-reaction, a singularity, a black hole, the sucks everything into it. Now consider that no information is lost in death, or negative energy, and information is retained instead. You now have the balance of nothing and everything, positive and negative value together at the singularity point. All information and no information. All mass and no mass. Stable. Like the collapse of the universe, placing all of its contents, all of its information, together at one point, retaining everything together. At this point you also have no mass again, free space for the universe to expand again into a new form, with infinite potential again. Retaining everything, and in the void space, the unformed potential one can form what ever one want, from all information previously gained, as well as new forms of expansion or evolution.
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    It is evident upon seeing death in various forms of the universe to me, just as sun dies, and what occurs when it does. It is evident to myself simply witnessing that our world has equal day and night, light and dark, life and death in balance. Together they create motion, time, and potential (free space, empty space, where motion exceeds into). Just as light travels into darkness. I see that everything in creation is made of positive and negative forces, which i relate to life and death, just as all things live to reach their destination, and then die reaching their termination point, completing another cycle.

    Since everything is made of both positive and negative energy why would a cyclic universe be incorrect? What happens you apply negative energy, or anti-mass to mass? The energy is freed into form releasing energy, releasing values, removing bonds!

    What do you get when you release bonds, mass, information and form, and while retaining them simultaneously? As a balance of energy?

    Does not a dying star implode, creating a counter force? Back reaction? Does it not create a black hole, and singularity? Can information be both removed and retained as suggested? Free energy while retaining it together?

    Seems to me this happens all the time in our universe. Can you not leave your house behind to go to the store? Is your house still there when you leave? This is how motion is created, matter is formed and sustained in every direction. What happens when the you apply negative value to the earth? You remove the earth. In the absence of the sustained earth is nothingness again, where as Hawking's and myself suggest new matter and new universe can form again. In a new way. because energy is freed, and potential is now unformed. Yet in a singularity that is present in death one may retain all information, as well as leave it behind. Just like leaving your house to go the store. Only now we can leave our earth to go to another world or universe, and return again to the earth since we have it retained. Still keeping in tack the positive mass we left behind when we enter no-mass(0). Creating multiple dimensional reality. The trick is how to learn how to apply, for yourself, anti-mass, or nothingness to your world so to leave it, reform it, and then re-enter it again, because you retain your positive energy (information) in your new 0 (full zero) created by the singularity.(reaction in death).
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    @serloco

    If you are interested in linking 'science' to a cyclic system, then i suggest reading up on the work of Walter Russell.
    But beware, you'll have to throw out 95% of what he claims to get some kind an overview of the essential points.
    He was very controversial (a genius to some, a nutcase to others), i really don' have an answer myself to that choice,
    a bit of both i'd say.
    He mixed to much God with to little science, but still it is intruiging 'literature'.
    He claimed he was 'enlightened' and received this knowledge from above...
    That must be nonsense, i think he studied some very simple concepts around us and then made extrapolations, without proving anything.
    Such as the process of boiling water, where you see this cyclic event of 'the solid evaporating into the ephemere' (your everything and nothing),
    and vice versa when condensating, through heat and cold.

    http://www.feandft.com/Walter%20Russ...20Universe.pdf


    I would suggest that you learn to asses such work , like your Derek Daniels, within the frame of common sense,
    and try to get to some down to earth conclusions.

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    Personally i think that even a bad theory can hold a certain percentage of
    ideas or lines of reasoning worth remembering, to be used in concepts to come.
    Clues that may, or may not become relevant at some point.
    The relevance will have to be assessed by the constraints.
    I call it pinpointing potential protagonists of future problem solving, and have used it in my work as a product developer for 20 years.
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    "down to earth: is in the past, whereas beyond earth is in the future.
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