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    My idea of being straight is to keep science and technology out of my life as far as possible. I have decided not to use painkillers as it is said that pain connects you to your inner self. I could have done the same thing to the medicines I take to fight depression but I am not independent yet.
    The use of contraceptives has not only made people careless but it has also polluted their bodies. How many agree with me?


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    Quote Originally Posted by parag29081973 View Post
    My idea of being straight is to keep science and technology out of my life as far as possible.
    Please tell me that getting rid of your computer is the next step. Please.


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    That's funny. My idea of being straight is liking girls.

    As for science and technology, you know the internet is part of that, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by parag29081973 View Post
    My idea of being straight is to keep science and technology out of my life as far as possible. I have decided not to use painkillers as it is said that pain connects you to your inner self. I could have done the same thing to the medicines I take to fight depression but I am not independent yet.
    The use of contraceptives has not only made people careless but it has also polluted their bodies. How many agree with me?

    This is a list of all the sane members that agree with you:
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    Why is it that anti-science f***sticks don't see the hypocrisy of using it to promote their stupid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Why is it that anti-science f***sticks don't see the hypocrisy of using it to promote their stupid?
    Obviously because they're too stupid.
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    I hadn't been on in a couple days. I got my coffee and my English muffins (not really English?) with orange marmelade and sat down for a quick browse.

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    How are physics and astronomy related?

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    I mean keeping science and technology away from me as much as possible(and not as far as possible as written in the OP) sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
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    Why is it that anti-science f***sticks don't see the hypocrisy of using it to promote their stupid?
    Obviously because they're too stupid.
    Please do not smoke around open stupid....as it is highly combustible and burns at over 3000C. Fortunately, we do have the new stupid fire suppression system installed in each sub forum to extenquish any stupid blazes.

    [sarcasm] I too want to return to the days without science and technology...the good ole days when life expectancy was 35 years and one in four babies didn't live to see their first birthday. Back when most couldn't read, and witches floated....ahhh...good times. You know what else I miss? Hand washing my clothes in a river, and throwing my poop out the window into the streets. [/sarcasm]

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    Well start by keeping your keyboard further than arms length...
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    Did you know the psychic energy given off by computers and wi-fi signals can give you cancer of the chakras?

    Another good reason to eliminate all of the science and technology from your life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daecon View Post
    cancer of the chakras?
    This made me laugh. Your "like" is in the mail, sir.
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    Real science and technology will augment human effort not replace it.(should not replace I think).
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    Quote Originally Posted by parag29081973 View Post
    Real science and technology will augment human effort not replace it.
    Then why do you want to "keep science and technology out of your life"?

    And what do you mean by "real" science and technology? As compared to science fiction, perhaps?
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    Some people say medicinal science treats symptoms and not the root cause of disease. I do not believe this. Do you?
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    Well that's entirely dependent on what, exactly, is being treated. You can't generalize in such a, well, general manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parag29081973 View Post
    Some people say medicinal science treats symptoms and not the root cause of disease. I do not believe this. Do you?
    Who are the "some people"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by parag29081973 View Post
    Some people say medicinal science treats symptoms and not the root cause of disease. I do not believe this. Do you?

    Yes, I do.

    Medicine ('me-də-sən):
    "the science and art dealing with the maintenance of health and the prevention, alleviation, or cure of disease"
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    Quote Originally Posted by parag29081973 View Post
    Some people say medicinal science treats symptoms and not the root cause of disease. I do not believe this. Do you?
    It treats both, as appropriate. For example, painkillers stop the symptom of pain while antibiotics stop the cause of infection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
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    Some people say medicinal science treats symptoms and not the root cause of disease. I do not believe this. Do you?
    It treats both, as appropriate. For example, painkillers stop the symptom of pain while antibiotics stop the cause of infection.
    And other medications are a sort of halfway house. Thyroxine for hypothyroidism and insulin for diabetes step in and substitute for the failure of the endocrine system by supplying a missing hormone - but they don't get rid of, or reverse the effects of, the Hashimoto's disease or the diabetes causing the damage to the organs which would normally produce those hormones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by parag29081973 View Post
    Some people say medicinal science treats symptoms and not the root cause of disease. I do not believe this. Do you?
    It really is both. Many illnesses are self-limiting and will go away on their own (i.e., viral colds), so the symptoms are treated. The general goal is to try and eliminate the illness. If that is not possible, then symptomatic treatment is use. Many diseases are chronic, and require ongoing management of symptoms to minimize damage to the person (such as treating diabetes and high blood pressure).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MacGyver1968 View Post
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    Why is it that anti-science f***sticks don't see the hypocrisy of using it to promote their stupid?
    Obviously because they're too stupid.
    Please do not smoke around open stupid....as it is highly combustible and burns at over 3000C. Fortunately, we do have the new stupid fire suppression system installed in each sub forum to extenquish any stupid blazes.

    [sarcasm] I too want to return to the days without science and technology...the good ole days when life expectancy was 35 years and one in four babies didn't live to see their first birthday. Back when most couldn't read, and witches floated....ahhh...good times. You know what else I miss? Hand washing my clothes in a river, and throwing my poop out the window into the streets. [/sarcasm]

    A thousand likes for Mac. That was great! I remember when a doorman in Beijing told me what the guy who showed up every morning in the 'tourist verboten' zone behind the hotel was carrying in the buckets he had suspended from a yoke draped across his shoulders. He turned out to be a 'sanitation' department employee. The people I was with nicknamed him Flush after that.

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    All stupid people are ignorant of science (and pretty much everything else) but not all people ignorant of science are stupid. Hanging around universities you meet a lot of very intelligent people who are very good in their field but would fail a high school science exam
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    All stupid people are ignorant of science (and pretty much everything else) but not all people ignorant of science are stupid. Hanging around universities you meet a lot of very intelligent people who are very good in their field but would fail a high school science exam
    OK. In the same vein, if you are one of those people who can't pass a high school science quiz then it wouldn't be fair to regard a scientist who is totally dysfunctional in the social aspects of life as stupid. Yet, could societal ineptitude be regarded as stupidity or could an otherwise smart person regard their own behavior as stupid in certain scenarios? I'm thinking of some white coat science lab denizens for some reason.
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    I wouldn't class social ineptitude as stupidity (but then I'm a lab denizen who has been known to wear a white coat on occasion ). I flatter myself that I'm smart and regularly regard my own behaviour as stupid (normally when beer is involved) but also when I am not as diplomatic as maybe I should be...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    I wouldn't class social ineptitude as stupidity (but then I'm a lab denizen who has been known to wear a white coat on occasion ). I flatter myself that I'm smart and regularly regard my own behaviour as stupid (normally when beer is involved) but also when I am not as diplomatic as maybe I should be...
    Maybe you wouldn't but others would. Stupidity is a subjective thing or is there some rule of thumb?
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    I think you'll get as many different answers as to what is stupid as people you ask. Mine would be the same as the guy who was asked to define what is porn. "I know it when I see it"
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    I think you'll get as many different answers as to what is stupid as people you ask. Mine would be the same as the guy who was asked to define what is porn. "I know it when I see it"
    I like it.

    Can only a smarter person determine if someone is stupid or not? If a room is full of people of the same intellect then how is stupidity determined, what is required of someone in that group to deserve the stupid label?
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    Not sure if the stupid spotter needs to be smarter (although it will often be the case) maybe more disciplined in thinking things through and spotting errors of fact or logic. I'd also note that a lot of "stupid" is not necessarily the errors of fact or logic themselves (although it can be) but sticking with the errors after evidence is presented that they are errors. A genius who sticks with crank nonsense in spite of evidence (like some of Linus Paulings later ideas about Vitamin C for example) could rightly be called out as stupid in this case by someone not as smart as him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhDemon View Post
    Not sure if the stupid spotter needs to be smarter (although it will often be the case) maybe more disciplined in thinking things through and spotting errors of fact or logic. I'd also note that a lot of "stupid" is not necessarily the errors of fact or logic themselves (although it can be) but sticking with the errors after evidence is presented that they are errors. A genius who sticks with crank nonsense in spite of evidence (like some of Linus Paulings later ideas about Vitamin C for example) could rightly be called out as stupid in this case by someone not as smart as him.
    Couple days ago we had an election in the province of Ontario here where I live. The man who everyone figured would win did not and I think it was because his platform was based on creating a million jobs. Not that this was too far fetched but he started the campaign by saying the first thing he would do if elected 'Premier" would be to eliminate 100,000 public sector jobs. The math did not look good. No doubt he is a smart guy but I thought it a stupid thing to say and I think many others did too as he got soundly thrashed.

    Yes I agree there is always plenty of opportunity for a less intelligent person to label a 'smarter ' person as stupid.
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