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  1. #1 Whats faster then the speed of light? 
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    This might be outta the box.
    Its all hypothetical, so you'll need your
    IMAGINATION



    I think I found out what one thing might be faster then the speed of light.
    Ok. So its just imagine, The sun clicked OFF like a light bulb.
    Now, We wouldn't know for 8 mins cuz the light is still traveling right.
    Then when it clicked back ON we would see darkness for 8 more mins before we realized.

    Ok so to beat that is this.
    If half the sun was cut off and just vanished.
    Just like vanished into (GONE).
    Then instantly, we would know.. haha

    Like all of us, our whole solar system would feel this all instantly and be messed up.
    idk what would happen we probably would all die.

    Anyway ya that's is. Not 8 mins like light,
    But instantly we would feel the change of gravity.

    That's it. so..
    Ok...so see ya , reply and tell me all my errors and
    I want to know any problem you feel this would have.
    Tell me anything you want, I want to hear your thoughts on this,..

    Peace..
    Oh also tell me what you think is faster then the speed of light...


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    The effects of gravity are thought to propagate at the speed of light. If all or part of the sun disappeared it would take 8 minutes, approximately, for the effect to be noticed.

    Nothing meaningful is faster than the speed of light.


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    Sorry, but gravity travels at the speed of light as well.

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    Oh also tell me what you think is faster then the speed of light...
    Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it. (Terry Pratchett, Reaper Man)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMost View Post
    Oh also tell me what you think is faster then the speed of light...
    expansion of the universe during the inflation part. maybe parts of the universe today are expanding faster than speed of light. but this is space expanding -- not something (like light or matter) traveling through space. according to theory and experimentation, nothing can travel faster (through space) than EMR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMost View Post
    I think I found out what one thing might be faster then the speed of light.
    You mean you made it up, you didn't "find out".

    But instantly we would feel the change of gravity.
    No.

    Oh also tell me what you think is faster then the speed of light...
    Stupidity?
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    Sorry I didn't know that the effects of gravity traveled at the speed of light
    oh well.
    Thanks for the info tho..

    Oh any duck I don't think your all that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMost View Post
    Sorry I didn't know that the effects of gravity traveled at the speed of light
    Obviously.
    You're sat in front of a computer, connected to the internet, don't you think a Google search (something as simple as "how fast is gravity?") would have been a good idea before posting uninformed speculation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dywyddyr View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by TheMost View Post
    I think I found out what one thing might be faster then the speed of light.
    You mean you made it up, you didn't "find out".
    Please stop making assertions that add little to the education of members and are inherently aggressive. Your vigilance in identifying errors of thinking is appreciated; your provocative attacks are not.

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    But instantly we would feel the change of gravity.
    No.
    Superficially useful, but practically of little help to the member in understanding why they are wrong. Please use your knowledge more effectively in future.

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    Oh also tell me what you think is faster then the speed of light...
    Stupidity?
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    ha sorry duck didnt mean for that to happen.
    anyway what you said..
    i come here to get my answers .hahh
    everyone just answer my problem so this is my google serach
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    Sorry, but gravity travels at the speed of light as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMost View Post
    Oh also tell me what you think is faster then the speed of light...
    Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it. (Terry Pratchett, Reaper Man)
    I was going to say that too, you ninja'd me!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan hunter View Post
    That is not really faster than the speed of light as nothing "travels".

    Quantum tunnelling can also be measured to be faster than the speed of light. But that doesn't really involve anything moving, either.
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    I say speed of thought. If that is science or not is the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clair D. View Post
    I say speed of thought. If that is science or not is the question.
    It is not clear how you are going to define the "speed" of a thought. However, it will almost certainly be much, much slower than the speed of light. Individual neurons that milliseconds to activate. Overall reaction times are hundreds of milliseconds.

    How fast is the speed of thought?
    The Brain: What Is the Speed of Thought? | DiscoverMagazine.com
    Mental chronometry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Whats faster than the speed of light?
    The speed of light's 5 year old kids.
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    Well the real question is it some massless invisible particle we know nothing about hmmmm sounds magical. In my opinion its the strings themselves the tension placed along the strings, its just like a mesh screen door . More mass you have more strings are threaded through. the farther the object is the less strings affect it. the strings pull the objects when tension has been created.The point of mass then becomes a quantum string ball of which energy wants take the path of least resistance to for the string is stretched .ie time/space . Light curves along these strings as we see them bend to nothing but as what everyone calls "gravity" . By using super string theory as pathways for all matter we can begin understand (M) theory of strings snapping bending and rejoining and creating uncertainty principles. what happens to an electron if its riding a string and the string snaps in 3 ways? is it broken into 3 identical same particles into 3 different places plausible..mabey like what we see today with the uncertainty P. sry for the rant heres your FACT answer faster than light telecommunications the bond between to atoms can be seperated and you may reverse the polarity on one electron of the pair of atoms and the other will also reverse faster than the speed of light with pure mystery besides my theory of the strings... go ahead PICK UP A STRAIGHT STRING AND PULL the end moves at the exact time you pulled the front..................but if you wiggle the string nothing happens to the end now we must think of ways to entangle/manipulate these strings then snap them to truly be able to travel interstellar space
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    Quote Originally Posted by JettX View Post
    In my opinion its the strings themselves the tension placed along the strings, its just like a mesh screen door . Etc.
    You don't actually know what string theory is, do you?

    heres your FACT answer faster than light telecommunications the bond between to atoms can be seperated and you may reverse the polarity on one electron of the pair of atoms and the other will also reverse faster than the speed of light with pure mystery besides my theory of the strings.
    This is not a fact.

    go ahead PICK UP A STRAIGHT STRING AND PULL the end moves at the exact time you pulled the front.
    Actually it doesn't. And it can't.
    There's a lag (but it's imperceptible on an everyday scale).
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    quantum entanglement is fact #2 are you talking about the string stretching or something ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JettX View Post
    quantum entanglement is fact #2
    It's not "communication".

    are you talking about the string stretching or something ?
    Yes.
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    I see something wrong with every other comment.

    Here's an experiment to try;

    1. Find an object, any object.
    2. Hold that object directly out from you, ready to release fast.
    3. Quickly release.

    As you see, the object stays there for a brief amount of time, rather than suddenly speeding towards the ground. Thus, gravity is slower than light, right?


    Just an idea, and I know I'm probably wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BootFoot1234 View Post
    I see something wrong with every other comment.

    Here's an experiment to try;

    1. Find an object, any object.
    2. Hold that object directly out from you, ready to release fast.
    3. Quickly release.

    As you see, the object stays there for a brief amount of time, rather than suddenly speeding towards the ground. Thus, gravity is slower than light, right?


    Just an idea, and I know I'm probably wrong.
    It's great that you are interested in science. Once you get further along in your studies, you'll discover why you are wrong on several counts. Until such time you are able to figure that out on your own, here are some things to consider:

    1) Once you release an object, it immediately begins to fall. It does not stay there for a brief amount of time, unless by "brief" you mean "zero." Perhaps you have been misled by Hollywood movies and cartoon physics. If you fall over a cliff, you do not hang motionless for a brief time. You plummet.
    2) Independently of 1), your experiment has nothing at all to do with testing the "speed of gravity." Gravity is acting all the time. It constantly pulls you toward the earth. All the time. Including right now.
    3) To run a fair race between light and gravity, you'd have to be able to construct, say, a "gravity flashlight," a device that "emits gravity" at will. No such device exists, so we have to use less direct means.

    Keep up your studies, stay interested in science, and perhaps do a little background research before posting to a science forum that everyone is wrong.
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    To add a detail to tk421's post, when you release the object it will accelerate at a constant rate: it starts from 0 velocity and increases speed continuously; it will be doing about 5 m/s when it reaches the floor.
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    In the early universe, once light was free of its gravitational constraints (I've read 300,000 years) and started its journey outward across the vast ocean of expanding space, unless space was expanding at >c would light eventually catch up with leading edge of expansion (if such a thing exists)?
    All that belongs to human understanding, in this deep ignorance and obscurity, is to be skeptical, or at least cautious; and not to admit of any hypothesis, whatsoever; much less, of any which is supported by no appearance of probability...Hume
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post
    If you fall over a cliff, you do not hang motionless for a brief time. You plummet.
    I realize this, but on some slowmotion videos, it seemed as though when you dropped something, it stayed there, for an infinitesimal period of time, such as the span of microseconds. Either way, thank you for correcting me; I'll be sure to look further into my studies before making an assumption.

    Also, it wasn't every reply, just a few in particular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    To add a detail to tk421's post, when you release the object it will accelerate at a constant rate: it starts from 0 velocity and increases speed continuously; it will be doing about 5 m/s when it reaches the floor.
    This, I know is wrong. How fast it's going when it hits the ground depends on the height you drop it from. And objects accelerate at 9.8 m/s^2.

    If a baby drop something, it wouldn't have the same force on impact as if, say, Michael Jordan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BootFoot1234 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post
    If you fall over a cliff, you do not hang motionless for a brief time. You plummet.
    I realize this, but on some slowmotion videos, it seemed as though when you dropped something, it stayed there, for an infinitesimal period of time, such as the span of microseconds.
    This could be due to the video frame rate, maybe? Or it could be a form of chronostasis (yes, that really is a thing: Chronostasis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia )

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    To add a detail to tk421's post, when you release the object it will accelerate at a constant rate: it starts from 0 velocity and increases speed continuously; it will be doing about 5 m/s when it reaches the floor.
    This, I know is wrong. How fast it's going when it hits the ground depends on the height you drop it from. And objects accelerate at 9.8 m/s^2.
    I did a quick calculation based on: "2. Hold that object directly out from you, ready to release fast" and assumed a person of average height. But it seems like you were ahead of me.
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    Imagine if you were constantly pushing against something that was fastened in place, and then the support was taken away while you were still pushing on it.

    Would there be a pause before your pushing begun to have an effect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BootFoot1234 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post
    If you fall over a cliff, you do not hang motionless for a brief time. You plummet.
    I realize this, but on some slowmotion videos, it seemed as though when you dropped something, it stayed there, for an infinitesimal period of time, such as the span of microseconds. Either way, thank you for correcting me; I'll be sure to look further into my studies before making an assumption.
    Since the fall is accelerated motion, the distance the object will fall in the first few microseconds is extremely small. After 5 microseconds an object will have only dropped 0.1225 nanometers when accelerating at 9.8m/sec/sec. The illusion that the object "hangs for a moment" is just due to the fact that it takes awhile for its motion to be noticeable to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BootFoot1234 View Post
    I see something wrong with every other comment.

    Here's an experiment to try;

    1. Find an object, any object.
    2. Hold that object directly out from you, ready to release fast.
    3. Quickly release.

    As you see, the object stays there for a brief amount of time, rather than suddenly speeding towards the ground. Thus, gravity is slower than light, right?


    Just an idea, and I know I'm probably wrong.
    Gravity is acting on that object a a constant rate of roughly 9.8 m/s/s. The reason the object has weight is DUE to gravity. The reason the object falls more slowly at first is because gravity is an acceleration, not a velocity. While the object may experience variations based upon mass, shape, air resistance, etc., the gravity acting upon the object does NOT change.
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