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    Apologies if this is an unoriginal thread (no pun intended).

    So If we roll back time we come to the recent findings that gave evidence of gravity waves.

    That takes us back to a fraction of a second after the theoretical "birth " of the universe.

    That makes it appear as though we are very close to the actual beginning but would I be right to argue that we may not be really not that much closer in understanding than we were before?

    Would it be fair to say that that (to our eyes) infinitesimally tiny period of spacetime is nevertheless infinitely large and the possibilities for what may have occurred there and then are still limitless (allowing for the possible emergence -in "reverse order from our standpoint- of any amount of new forces)?

    Unless some theory of Multiversity produces actual evidence is it fair to say that there is a likelihood that we will never and can never ascertain what happened "first of all"?

    Is it reasonable to imagine that we will never find evidence of what happened when the universe began?

    Or is it reasonable to propose that the universe never "began" as such but was always "beginning" in the same way as we can suggest that it is always "ending" but may never "end"?


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    Quote Originally Posted by geordief View Post
    Would it be fair to say that that (to our eyes) infinitesimally tiny period of spacetime is nevertheless infinitely large
    Conceptually, yes. Not knowing what happened in the first billionth of a second isn't really much different from not knowing what happened in the first trillionth of a second.

    and the possibilities for what may have occurred there and then are still limitless
    I don't know about limitless... On the other hand, we can't really rule out the idea that the universe was created from unicorn farts. Or by God.

    Unless some theory of Multiversity produces actual evidence is it fair to say that there is a likelihood that we will never and can never ascertain what happened "first of all"?
    Is it reasonable to imagine that we will never find evidence of what happened when the universe began?
    It may be forever beyond our reach. But a theory of quantum gravity and/or future observations might give us some fresh insights.

    Or is it reasonable to propose that the universe never "began" as such but was always "beginning" in the same way as we can suggest that it is always "ending" but may never "end"?
    I suspect that is about as good as any other idea.


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    Unless some theory of Multiversity produces actual evidence is it fair to say that there is a likelihood that we will never and can never ascertain what happened "first of all"?
    Is it reasonable to imagine that we will never find evidence of what happened when the universe began?
    Thanks.
    Actually I am not sure that sentence of mine made logical sense since you could say the evidence is all around us.Perhaps I should have said "never find evidence that allows us to understand what happened when the universe "began".
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    Nice distinction.

    Although it is also possible there is just no evidence to be found.
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    Scientists are always trying to learn about things. I think, as long as science exists, that one day they will find the answers. When this will happen I don't think anyone knows.
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    Although we like to think we have quite a good grasp of how the universe "works" I suspect our ignorance remains extensive, comprehensive and substantial. Consequently, I imagine that our future knowledge would astound us if revealed today.
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    That is more than likely. And I would guess that it would also be in areas that we hadn't begun to consider.

    A lot is said about the exponential growth in understanding and capabilities over the past short period of recorded history but we have an unimaginably awfully long road ahead of us hopefully.

    Of course we can also take some very wrong turnings as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    Scientists are always trying to learn about things. I think, as long as science exists, that one day they will find the answers. When this will happen I don't think anyone knows.
    So far, every "answer" begs another question.

    I doubt that we'll run out of answers before we run out of questions.

    and therein lies the dichotomy of separating answers from questions.


    Could the answer just be part of the question?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sculptor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cosmictraveler View Post
    Scientists are always trying to learn about things. I think, as long as science exists, that one day they will find the answers. When this will happen I don't think anyone knows.
    So far, every "answer" begs another question.

    I doubt that we'll run out of answers before we run out of questions.

    and therein lies the dichotomy of separating answers from questions.


    Could the answer just be part of the question?
    Seems many times it is.
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