# Thread: Could nothing be something?

1. If matter is equal to 1 and antimatter is equal to -1 then matter plus antimatter equals 0. But how could energy be 0 if energy is something. If something could be nothing then could nothing be something? Could that be how the universe came to be? Because nothing became something? Am I on to something?

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3. Matter and anti-matter both have mass, they annhilate to form energy (E=mc2) the total amount of mass-energy is unchanged you have simply changed an amount of mass, m, into an amount of Energy, E. Your +1 -1 = 0 has no physical meaning.

4. Understood.
Originally Posted by PhDemon
Matter and anti-matter both have mass, they annhilate to form energy (E=mc2) the total amount of mass-energy is unchanged you have simply changed an amount of mass, m, into an amount of Energy, E. Your +1 -1 = 0 has no physical meaning.

5. Does matter collect until it become energy and does energy collect until it becomes matter? Can they change forms once they reach a degree?

6. Mass and energy are interconverted in high energy collisions and nuclear reactions. I'm not sure exactly what you are asking, but if enough matter "collects" it will eventually collapse under it's own gravity and eventually become dense enough for nuclear reactions to take place. This isn't my area of expertise though so I'll leave it for one of the physics experts to give you a better answer.

7. By "collects" I mean collects through gravity. But I think that gravity only applies to matter and antimatter. I do not know if gravity affects energy.
Originally Posted by PhDemon
Mass and energy are interconverted in high energy collisions and nuclear reactions. I'm not sure exactly what you are asking, but if enough matter "collects" it will eventually collapse under it's own gravity and eventually become dense enough for nuclear reactions to take place. This isn't my area of expertise though so I'll leave it for one of the physics experts to give you a better answer.

8. Originally Posted by mmatt9876
I do not know if gravity affects energy.
It does, but I'll leave it to one of the physics guys to give you a full explanation, it's not an area I know a great deal about.

9. Nothing is nothing because nature abhors a vacuum.
I don't know what causes gravity but I suspect it is actually another dimension in the timespace continuum that measure how fast space is being compressed, and yes guys, I do know how crank that sounds. But maybe the distortion of time and space is actually like a whirlpool in a sink and as spacetime heads for the drain it carries all the matter floating in it down the drain with it. Maybe a gravity well is just the same as what happens in a sink before enough water is draining to form the vortex and a black hole is when the water is drainig fast enough for you to see the drain hole at the bottom of the vortex. Maybe that is an answer to the question of why so many galaxies, and solar systems rotate.

With water we can measure surface tension, pressure, and temperature. Flow is a derived measurement combining volume and speed.
I wonder what the corresponding measures would be in a multidimensional continuum like spacetime.

(excuse me, my side is hurting and my mind is not very clear at this moment)

10. Originally Posted by mmatt9876
Am I on to something?
No, it's nothing.

11. Originally Posted by dan hunter
wibble removed... my mind is not very clear at this moment)
Evidently...

12. Originally Posted by dan hunter
Nothing is nothing because nature abhors a vacuum.
The clause following "because" is not an explanation in the scientific sense. It's a paraphrase of Aristotle. As such, it carries as much weight as the assertions of any random person you encounter on the internet.

I don't know what causes gravity but I suspect it is actually another dimension in the timespace continuum that measure how fast space is being compressed, and yes guys, I do know how crank that sounds.
Regrettably, that knowledge did not inhibit you from posting. Study GR for our current best explanation for what causes gravity. Your ignorance of it shouldn't be treated as carte blanche for just making up nonsense in its place. Lots of people have actually studied the subject in great detail, so you don't have to bear the burden yourself.

But maybe the distortion of time and space is actually like a whirlpool in a sink and as spacetime heads for the drain it carries all the matter floating in it down the drain with it.
If we're throwing out all rules of science, then why not just say that gravity is due to the action of a giant Electrolux -- because nature seemingly adores a vacuum, judging from its prevalence.

(excuse me, my side is hurting and my mind is not very clear at this moment)
There's no substitute for actual study.

13. Originally Posted by PhDemon
Originally Posted by mmatt9876
I do not know if gravity affects energy.
It does, but I'll leave it to one of the physics guys to give you a full explanation, it's not an area I know a great deal about.
I am not a physics guy either, but Relativity gives matter and energy as being convertible. If you multiply all the mass in a system by the speed of light squared you get a measure of how much energy is available in that system. You can also measure how much energy results when you convert any amount of matter into energy.
A little bit of mass multiplied by the speed of light squared gives a very large amount of energy.
So the small amounts of energy we are used to dealing with do not weigh very much.

14. That's basically what I said in post#2.

15. Originally Posted by tk421
Originally Posted by dan hunter
Nothing is nothing because nature abhors a vacuum.
The clause following "because" is not an explanation in the scientific sense. It's a paraphrase of Aristotle. As such, it carries as much weight as the assertions of any random person you encounter on the internet.

I don't know what causes gravity but I suspect it is actually another dimension in the timespace continuum that measure how fast space is being compressed, and yes guys, I do know how crank that sounds.
Regrettably, that knowledge did not inhibit you from posting. Study GR for our current best explanation for what causes gravity. Your ignorance of it shouldn't be treated as carte blanche for just making up nonsense in its place. Lots of people have actually studied the subject in great detail, so you don't have to bear the burden yourself.

But maybe the distortion of time and space is actually like a whirlpool in a sink and as spacetime heads for the drain it carries all the matter floating in it down the drain with it.
If we're throwing out all rules of science, then why not just say that gravity is due to the action of a giant Electrolux -- because nature seemingly adores a vacuum, judging from its prevalence.

(excuse me, my side is hurting and my mind is not very clear at this moment)
There's no substitute for actual study.
Ah Hah, an Electrulux creates a vacuum inside it which everything outside of it gets pushed into.
Gravity supplies the force to create the air pressure nature needs to force all that stuff into the vacuum inside of the Electrolux machine.

Thank you for your helpful analogy. I nnnever would have thought of it on my own.

16. Dan, take a nap you're being a loon.

17. Originally Posted by PhDemon
Dan, take a nap you're being a loon.
I think you are right, it might be the painkillers.

18. I know. Too bad. Unless, of course, nothing could be something!
Originally Posted by John Galt
Originally Posted by mmatt9876
Am I on to something?
No, it's nothing.

19. Mass causes the force of gravity, I think.
Originally Posted by dan hunter
I don't know what causes gravity

20. Maybe there is a bipolar relation between two objects where the bigger on obtains, for lack of a better term, a positive charge and the smaller object obtains a negative charge, like what happens inside an atom between a proton and an electron, only the particles don't obtain a charge based on mass.
Originally Posted by dan hunter
I don't know what causes gravity

21. No this is not right at all, imagine you have three things of different sizes attracting each other gravitationally, if the largest one is positive, the smallest one is negative what is the third and why is it also attracted to both other bodies?

22. To answer your question maybe the third object falls into some grey area. Its attraction to the other objects is also in a grey region, I guess. I think the right answer is that mass curves space time and that is why objects fall together, because space time curves into the objects.
Originally Posted by PhDemon
No this is not right at all, imagine you have three things of different sizes attracting each other gravitationally, if the largest one is positive, the smallest one is negative what is the third and why is it also attracted to both other bodies?

23. You seem to be very confused, why did you bring "charge" into it in the first place? Why is this grey area needed? Your final sentence is basically correct so why did you bring up the other guff?

24. I used the word "charge" to represent an attraction between two objects. A grey area is needed because how else could you describe a bipolar relation between three objects. Lastly I brought up the other stuff just to attempt to make an argument for my idea, but I knew it was probably could not be saved. I guess I am basically confused!
Originally Posted by PhDemon
You seem to be very confused, why did you bring "charge" into it in the first place? Why is this grey area needed? Your final sentence is basically correct so why did you bring up the other guff?

25. You certainly seem to be, you are bringing together completely unrelated concepts in a random fashion with no real justification and without really explaining anything. Your posts are essentially word salad.

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