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    I have posted a number of threads in this Forum trying to promulgate a certain theoretic ether model, but it encountered criticism largely because I didn't present a straightforward way to test or prove anything.

    I would like to suggest a possible new idea for testing whether space is void of undetected energic forces such as etheric forces. as physicists now believe. This would be a field test involving a car that is started in motion, and observing the effects of things inside the car that are not fixed or attached to the car (such as inside occupants.)

    This type of test has been suggested before, with the usual test involving a fly flying around inside the car. -The fly is shoved backwards when the car starts to move, but this effect has been attributed to the effect of the air inside the car. Physicists claim that the air does not move with the car, and that the fly is merely carried backwards by the air.

    In an ether-resonance theory, as the car starts moving, the stationary resonances of the car and its occupants are broken, and their resonances change to resonate with new surroundings. In a moving-car test in which a vacuum is created inside the car, the effect of air would be eliminated. If the unfixed occupants of the car still move backwards and out of synchrony with the car, this would show that air is not part of the "backwards" effect.

    a positive result (the unattached occupants still are shoved backwards in a vacuum) would not in itself "prove" an ether exists, but it would make the point that an etherless void type of theoretic model may be a failure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Anteski View Post
    I have posted a number of threads in this Forum trying to promulgate a certain theoretic ether model, but it encountered criticism largely because I didn't present a straightforward way to test or prove anything.

    I would like to suggest a possible new idea for testing whether space is void of undetected energic forces such as etheric forces. as physicists now believe. This would be a field test involving a car that is started in motion, and observing the effects of things inside the car that are not fixed or attached to the car (such as inside occupants.)

    This type of test has been suggested before, with the usual test involving a fly flying around inside the car. -The fly is shoved backwards when the car starts to move, but this effect has been attributed to the effect of the air inside the car. Physicists claim that the air does not move with the car, and that the fly is merely carried backwards by the air.

    In an ether-resonance theory, as the car starts moving, the stationary resonances of the car and its occupants are broken, and their resonances change to resonate with new surroundings. In a moving-car test in which a vacuum is created inside the car, the effect of air would be eliminated. If the unfixed occupants of the car still move backwards and out of synchrony with the car, this would show that air is not part of the "backwards" effect.

    a positive result (the unattached occupants still are shoved backwards in a vacuum) would not in itself "prove" an ether exists, but it would make the point that an etherless void type of theoretic model may be a failure.
    This is egregiously stupid, if not mad.

    Conventional physics says the fly moves "backwards" relative to the car, due its own inertia, plus that of the air it flies in. So in a vacuum the same thing would obviously happen - if a way could be found to support the fly.

    So this experiment will prove bugger-all.


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    First, empty space is not empty of energy. It is full of it.

    Secondly, you appear to have missed school the day they did "inertia".

    Finally, what you appear to be trying to test in some crude way is Lorentz invariance. This has been tested in hundreds of different ways, some of them to extraordinary levels of accuracy (1 part in 1030 comes to mind). I would look some of these up for you but there is clearly no point as you have a closed mind and are uniterested in facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Anteski View Post
    but it would make the point that an etherless void type of theoretic model may be a failure.
    As Strange said. Here is the supporting data :

    [0801.0287] Data Tables for Lorentz and CPT Violation

    As you can see ( if you can understand it ), the constraints for such violations are extremely stringent, even with current technology.
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    Falling back on the word "inertia", and standard theory advocates, still does not address my question. -I submit my conviction that if the "vacuum" car-motion test were done, it would be found that the recessional velocity of those within the car would clearly exceed the forward velocity of the car. -I submit also that it would be a test worth doing, althoiugh I don't know who would be willing to do it.
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    The experiment has been done. You are monumentally wrong. But, as I say, you are not going to let facts stand in the way of your beliefs. <shrug>

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Anteski View Post
    Falling back on the word "inertia", and standard theory advocates, still does not address my question. -I submit my conviction that if the "vacuum" car-motion test were done, it would be found that the recessional velocity of those within the car would clearly exceed the forward velocity of the car. -I submit also that it would be a test worth doing, althoiugh I don't know who would be willing to do it.
    Well, if it would "clearly" exceed it, then you should be able to do the experiment yourself. Perhaps you could quantify how great this excess velocity predicted by your theory would be. Then we can estimate how accurate such an experiment would need to be.
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    I wouldn't hold your breath, just more empty hand waving from MA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Anteski View Post
    Falling back on the word "inertia", and standard theory advocates, still does not address my question. -I submit my conviction that if the "vacuum" car-motion test were done, it would be found that the recessional velocity of those within the car would clearly exceed the forward velocity of the car. -I submit also that it would be a test worth doing, althoiugh I don't know who would be willing to do it.
    Gravity Probe B would have detected this effect. Yet it didn't.
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